What preconceived ideas? I don't know you, and I didn't know anything about the situation the post was made about. You very clearly gave that impression in this discussion, particularly with the following statements:
If someone's pronouns make you feel unsafe, that's more of an issue you need to work on than anything else IMO.
And until such time as we find a way of reading people's minds to determine their intentions, all we can do is respect what they tell us about who they are, and respond to their behaviour.
But until such a time as I can read their minds to determine their intentions, so I can tell the lsabel Falls apart from the trolls, all can act on is their behaviour.
I won't act on someone's pronouns alone, ...
Even in this very message, you just said "I'm not going to gatekeep people on their pronouns. I will address problematic behaviour"
You repeatedly said that pronouns alone will not lead to any moderation actions. This directly contradicts your later statement in your reply to me, saying that dogwhistles and terms sexual in nature will lead to a ban.
Requiring minors to use sexual terms to address you would get you banned.
Again, glad to hear that, but if all someone did is put a sexual term as their pronoun, and that alone would not lead to a ban, a minor would be put in the situation of using that term or refusing and therefore misgendering. The user who set that as their pronoun in this situation didn't do anything outside of putting those pronouns in their bio or next to their name.
It was a term aimed at queer folk to dehumanise us. People are allowed to reclaim terms like that.
Fair enough, I can't disagree with that. However, in the case of using it or slurs as a pronoun, it would force others to use those terms to address others. So, unless I'm misinterpreting your statements, someone using the t-slur as their pronoun and me refusing to use it to refer to them would lead to a ban?
You aren't a user of this instance, and this isn't a request for feedback, so if you disagree, that's your prerogative, but that's how it works here.
lmao ok, it's literally just a conversation based on a disagreement. Glad I didn't make my account on here though, looks like I dodged a bullet.
You can't reclaim nazi terminology, because those terms are not slurs, but dogwhistles for hate. As such, someone using them would be instantly banned.
Happy to hear that, it sounded like that wasn't the case from the conversation so far.
Requiring minors to use sexual terms to talk to you also falls under "act on their behaviour, not their pronouns". It too would lead to an instant ban.
I think you misunderstood me there. I am talking about you requiring minors to use these sexual terms, because of people using those terms as their pronouns. As otherwise, they would be misgendering them.
It's mostly you getting upset at scenarios that can't occur, because your examples would nearly all be moderated under the "moderate their behaviour, not their pronouns".
The only "behavior" I am talking about is using these terms as pronouns, which some people do. Usually for malicious reasons, of course.
Also, didn't the attack helicopter thing get used as a dog whistle? I've never seen it used as a slur (calling someone an attack helicopter). It's always just been "I identify as an attack helicopter" and similar sentences to make fun of the concept of gender identity and invalidate trans people.
Isabel Fall was "obviously in bad faith" to most people who hounded her.
Sure, but the recourse for someone like that on Lemmy from a moderator perspective would simply be to ask them to not use "attack helicopter" as a pronoun, not to witch hunt them.
The example with Isabel Fall does not fit here, as moderation action against someone like her, or asking/requiring those types of pronouns to be changed/removed is not equivalent to the response she received. This sounds like you're saying that moderation action for offensive pronouns will lead to people getting hurt to the degree she did, but it won't, so this is irrelevant.
You didn't address the other user's example of 14/88 as a pronoun, or ones that have explicitly sexual connotations.
Would you also take no action if someone used the n-word (hard r), the f-slur etc? Or obviously sexual ones like Master or Daddy? Would you require minors to also use these pronouns so they don't misgender that person?
This all is just being tolerant to a fault. I myself am trans, I am supportive of neopronouns and xenogenders, but there's a limit. And that is when other people are getting hurt or made extremely uncomfortable, and when it's just obvious that it's in bad faith.
As a German myself who tried to learn French a while ago, I gave up because that language has the same issue, but the genders for nouns are different and I just can't be bothered to memorize two different genders for every noun 💀
Maybe those will be exceptions, and it counts those like the hair on top of my head, my eyebrows etc? Or I just need to make sure I take the no hair pill first, and then the other one lol
"But now we will unlock the door for new use cases" ... like locking doors.