Is it morally wrong for an immigrant or naturalized citizen to "keep a low profile" and avoid speaking up against the government in order to minimize the risks of denaturalization/deportation?
Melvin_Ferd @ Melvin_Ferd @lemmy.world Posts 5Comments 1,147Joined 2 yr. ago
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What reference. The only one was a link to something I had already shared and it linked to the one area of liberalism that is considered center or center right. So let me know which link I'd love to know
No, you are in .ml which is comparable to the trump supporters on the right. They have been radicalized and used various newspeak to create a unified voice that doesn't conform with standard knowledge. This is why I have shown all kinds of sources that reinforce the idea that liberalism is center left while everyone from .ml is strictly applying Marxist theory as if it's fact. Same experience arguing vaccines in r/conservative.
I guarantee you Mamdani did not win because people are radicalized.
But I agree people are being radicalized. Cuomo's had to kill everyone's grandmother and Trump had to basically bring the empire to reality for Mamdani to win.
Let's make a prediction here. I bet Mamdani is going to get crucified. The Lefts lack of awareness and ability to do what I'm saying which is control zones online will contribute massively to Mamdani failing. The right will pull every thing they can and sabotage him. The left having failed to build any networks will not be able to control the public opinion and will watch their one shot to show a more leftist politician can be successful.
Because if what you're saying is true, then people who are radicalized and supportive of Mamdani aren't going to let him get pushed around. But if I'm right, these voters are only supporting out of spite and will let him be crucified.
Hell trump just said he'll arrest his ass. Mouse squeak can be heard. I bet some people reading this hadn't even heard of that. Had this been a let president saying this, there would be armed militias showing up at the White House to remind the government about the constitution. And they would have organized between their multiple shit posting groups that are networked together
I literally have no idea what this is. And I'm on leftist site often.
You're literally saying my point but missing the whole picture.
Mamdani one out of spite. Not because the left did anything successful but because of the actions of the right. If we see more of these victory's I'll be happy. But right now I have yet to see the left do anything of any significance.
You bore through stone with digital media. It's the only damn thing that makes sense. If the left truly believes it has the numbers then the only answers is to use this numbers to flood the zone. Use the Internet as a force multiplier.
If we truly believe the right are buying bots to push agendas there's a fucking limit how much it costs. If we have the numbers, flood the fucking zone because when you flood the fucking zone it costs them more to counter it. Which is why the dominate comment among the left is ... Say it with me... "Don't wrestle with pigs" right? We all know that saying as if it was repeated in zones and we all read it over and over again and went yea it's useless why would we ever give our opinion. We need to create content, not protest in the streets. We need to keep stories said news in front of people's eyes through memes and shit posts. Let the good ones catch on. Taco last 24 hrs.
The reason the left is losing is not because of the right. They're losing because of the left. The left is losing because there are traits that are inherent with being on the left that unless they figure it out, they'll always lose.
These people are all talk "we'll go punch a Nazi and fight in imaginary freedom wars" but can't be bothered to spend a few hours a week building a network to share content to flood zones and at the very least make the rights ability to flood the zone much harder and costly.
No? Give me something that proves it isn't. I have quoted everything from dictionaries to Princeton to media and all anyone is doing is repeating Marxist theory you're the trumpets of the left. Sorry but it's true
There's no way you can say it's more important given that all the left has done is show up for protests, including multiple "greatest protests ever" and all the right does is shit post and has nothing but victories. That math doesn't math.
I have no idea how none of you see this. It's like horse blinders or worse, willful ignorance.
You cannot spend decades losing and doing the thing you said while the right has shit posted digitally into the Whitehouse. They still do it daily. There's a reason RSA and Cambridge and all these companies and nations invested into channels and digital tools.
Ok so I bring this up all over Lemmy for this reason and people always push back like "har har ok touch grass"
Why the hell do you need to identify yourself in a digital world. How fucking mental are we to not realize you are on a device that offers anonymity whole allowing you to engage and capture as many people as you're willing to do.
How much effect did libsotiktok inflict? How'd she do it?
How much effect did.... Anyone have any examples of that on the left?
Why? Well maybe it's because online accounts on the left keep telling others to not engage, remove ourselves from platforms, show up in IRL resulting in lots of images of people like you getting your head kicked in and disappear.
Maybe it's time to realize its free and fun to download meme and use AI to create shit posts online with the intention of keeping things in front of the public's eye. The left keeps picking fights on arenas it cannot win and it's weirdly not correcting for it.
It's 2025, everything is fucking digital. Why is the left so hell bent on standing in a street and getting beat up by people who have trained for 8 years to beat them up effectively.
Come on people, it's not 1967 FFS Gimp is free. What the fuck are people sleeping on.
"Oh guys I'm conflicted, I want you do something but I don't want to get arrested and harassed."
"Ok here's an Internet connection, a VPN and few software plus free accounts. You just need to make fun of them, share opinions and network online in your underwear."
"No, no no that's crazy talk."
Meanwhile the fucking right shit posted their way into they presidency. Trump talked about cat litter in classrooms, officially. Sunshine to kill COVID. Doesn't matter.
You people act like you're my grandmother trying to send an email.
Back in the day the left were the tech people. Now uncle Glenn with 8 Trump flags on his truck admin for 30 let's go Brandon Facebook groups.
I think it's a very nuanced position but I still defend that it's center left. Economically conservative I'm assuming means pro capitalist.
I support cooperatives and changing laws to fix how people are allowed to invest in the market. I don't see why those things are not left.
Look at Mondragon Spain as one example of a proven successful example. Like historically successful. They changed how corporations are controlled after WWII and have proven successfully it works.
Both are political left of center views. The political spectrum is not centered on socialism/capitalism.
As the other commenter mentioned, it seems everyone here has a very binary understanding of things. I'd be cautious as I've seen this same binary views with Trump fuck heads in 2016.
It's Marxist theory. Marxism is not a universal theory on the subject. It's one of many lenses. So no he's not correct. It's more nuanced than they're suggesting. Which is misinformation.
Source: Wikipedia – Social liberalism
Quote: “Social liberalism is a political philosophy and variety of liberalism that endorses social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights…”
Quote: "Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centre to centre-left, although there are deviations from these positions to both the political left or right. In modern political discourse, social liberalism is associated with progressivism, a left-liberalism contrasted to the right-leaning neoliberalism, and combines support for a mixed economy with cultural liberalism."
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
Source: Simple English Wikipedia – Social liberalism
Quote: “Social liberalism … endorses a regulated market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights.”
Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left"
Link: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
Source: Britannica – Liberalism
Quote: “Modern liberals are generally willing to experiment with large‑scale social change to further their project of protecting and enhancing individual freedom.”
Link: https://www.britannica.com/question/How-does-modern-liberalism-differ-from-conservatism
Source: Cambridge Dictionary – Liberalism
Quote: “Liberal political ideas emphasize the need to make new laws as society changes and the need for government to provide social services.”
Link: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english-russian/liberal
Source: Pew Research Center – Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology
Quote: “Holding liberal positions on nearly all issues, Establishment Liberals are some of the strongest supporters of the current president and the Democratic Party of any political typology group.”
Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/
Partially true but not universally true. This is like saying Jazz is African American music and classical is white music. You're flattening these things into a very binary categorization. These are not binary categories like this. There's so much nuance.
There's so many more options and honestly I'm worried there's a push you radicalize the left against even considering it after seeing many comments here.
An example of the top of my head is cooperatives. We don't need public ownership of factories and production. We can restructure capitalism and how it works so it is more socialized. Worker owned business. Change the laws. Change how corporations are structured when they go public. Change investing laws since faceless stakeholders is a primary cause of a lot of issues we face.
The options are not capitalism or socialism. That seems like it's a toxic pill that's being pushed in the community. I really advise people to consider there's potentially some radicalization occurring in certain corners. Remember they have a lot of power to push ideas and kill others. If we all know Cambridge and Koch brothers and heritage foundations are out there manipulating things online, maybe it's important to be careful of dominant opinions in the niche corners as they grow.
I did do for the same reasons. But I question if this speeds things up.
If I was a big think tank charged with changing the public opinion to favor the right wing, my first thing I'd advise you to do was remove political opponents from the view of the general public.
Then once the area has been cleared, it'll be cheaper to flood the zone with messages and opinions and content that shapes public opinion you favor the view I want.
Hmmmmm really?
It's being definition 😂
I agree which is what I was waiting for someone to say. Just want to let you know I appreciate you from saying it. Until then I was just having fun here 😆
Can you show me where private property is categorically right leaning and not left
This isn't really relevant here. Social liberalism, democratic liberalism as categories are defined as left of center. A green group and another group labelling themselves socialist whatever isn't changing what the definition is for sometime with different names
Where the hell was it said he's a leader of any revolution.
There's no confusion. You'll either wake up one day and realize how late to the party you all are.
I have taken a step back which is why I'm able to see the issue. The problem is you're in it. You have blinders on.
The left is cooked. You're highlighting exactly why. The left act like we don't have decades of marketing and behavioral science that shows how to influence people.
Keep showing up for those protests and door knocking and when you lose, blame those low information voters and idiots who keep beating you while doing none of what you're doing
And if you think you can wear the defense that "well they're just supported with more money like Peter Thiel or Steve Bannon or Musk" it won't work. Their money is only doing what we all do for free except or effort is put towards vapid platforms and bean Sheeran moth posts. Theirs are focused and self organized