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No, nor pro choice people and that's exactly my point. The acceptability of the form of protest can't be related to how passionate the people are about their cause, or every passionate social justice group could justify this. That's clearly a result society can't take and leads to the few saying to the many: "my favorite cause is more important than...well, whatever you have going on today." What makes it wrong is targeting random people with no attempt at majority support, an indifference to the risks, and trapping people in the protest. It would be wrong no matter the cause.

I agree and would also say that society demanding harsher punishments for this kind of protesting is a pretty dang good indicator that it's morally wrong.

lol, uh huh...Not sure I've ever seen someone be so convinced of their intellectual superiority with so little reason to be. Intelligent people use their extended vocabulary when necessary to make cohesive and logically sound arguments. You've used uncommon words out of trying too hard to bedazzle shallow arguments that are logically and/or morally inferior.

If a solid argument were a fine jacket, your style is more like gluing rhinestones onto a denim one; flashy but not exactly impressive. But hey, you got some attention so I'll give you a nice pat on the head for that. Pat pat. Now, grow up and finish your education.

With the hostages Hamas can demand things from a deal. Like the IDF permanently withdrawing from Gaza and releasing their Palestinian hostages.

You have not kept up to date on Israel's statements on this. Israel wasn't even willing to commit to continuing the cease-fire after the hostages were released, let alone pull out for good.

We will now manufacture cars where the turn signal causes the horn to blow at the same time, but it sounds like a boat horn and fire comes out the exhaust.

ROFL, how do you take yourself seriously?

Yep, I think what people aren't getting is that if any protest group undemocratically gives itself the right to block freeways, then any protest group could claim the same rights. What if pro-life people start blocking freeways next, then pro-Israel protestors next. The level of passion about the topic does not grant automatic acceptance of the method.

It's all about who's impacted by the protest. These people could funnel the same energy towards a targeted protest against some company profiting the war, or at politicians they disagree with, or protesting at a government building, at a college stifling speech, or at some high profile event or any other legitimate target. You can do something that isn't targeted at everyday people, traps them in the protest, and carries the chance of stopping the delivery of critical services. "Sorry the paramedics couldn't get to gram gram fast enough, but people needed to block traffic for Gaza today" is a bs possibility to allow.

You write dumb shit like you’re trying to hit a word count.

I've read what you wrote and am firmly in the position of looking down on you due to your poorly thought out and immature views. No amount of writing skill is going to cover up your overall lack of intelligence, and you haven't demonstrated any writing skill either. You can convince yourself I'm writing dumb shit just because you disagree with it. I don't care...I just know better.

No, it wasn't...because he was talking about people who didn't want to see black folks rise up at all if it meant disruption. I would be thrilled to see Gazans gain equality, their own state and be just fine with protestors disrupting the people who could actually affect those changes. Protesting by blocking regular folk from getting anywhere is rock bottom stupid because they don't have any power to make the change...it's taking their frustration out at the situation out on innocent people. Instead of speaking truth to power, it's inflicting their will on the powerless. If you can't tell right from wrong, that's a you problem.

If you think MLK would have been all for trapping regular civilians on the US freeways for a war in another continent though, you're a complete and utter moron.

How do you type this without pausing to consider how absurdly hyperbolic you're being? I don't support Israel in its war against Gaza whatsoever, I was thrilled to see the war crimes charges against Netanyahu and public sentiment turning against the conditions there but if I don't support freeway blocking protests in another continent that don't even attempt to separate out those that support the war, I'm being "absolutely monstrous?" How could anyone be expected to take you seriously here when you exaggerate THAT badly?

Edit: Oh, and "Few hundred people made slightly late"

Gonna stop you right there. You have no idea how many cars get backed up for how long, who has drinking water, working Air Conditioning, emergencies to get to, whether or not someone died in an ambulance stuck in traffic. You're making up the rosiest scenario, pretending this isn't dangerous and life threatening, and then pretending that's the reality as if you could know. It's wildly dishonest.

The same society you are hoping to change...I don't think you realize how immature your thought process is here.

Again with another poorly thought out opinion that does not logically connect your message with any real measure of virtue. Here you're excusing the conduct of people who would block traffic by chalking it all up to countering the white moderate preferring an absence of tension, which is not a logical conclusion whatsoever as it could be similarly used to argue for hanging racists in the street. It's ignoring the severity of the impact of the protest to break it down into a binary of support/nonsupport. "Either you're with us or you're against us." is the mantra of forced conformity of thought. Seriously, do better.

Illogical take and a false equivalence. These people could just go somewhere else and obviously do not support the rights of the protesters. In the freeway blocking situation, you'd be stopping the people who support Gaza from getting home to their kids the same as everyone else and they are literally trapped on the freeway vs. choosing to be in this pictured restaurant. You'd be trapping people who might not have water in the car, might not have A/C, might not have the gas to idle and wait, might be rushing to the hospital to meet the ambulance with their wife/child in it.

Your take is morally wrong in a demonstrable way and I hope you can learn to recognize that.

Exactly, the worthy message is completely lost in the immoral delivery.

Nah, the message is getting lost in the delivery. I support BLM too but had the same issue with their freeway-blocking tactics. Nobody is going to swing to your side of the argument because you blocked their route home...nobody. People have emergencies, parents and kids need to get places...people have important jobs and need to be able to get to work such as doctors, first responders, air traffic controllers etc etc.. Yes, Gaza and BLM are both worthy causes but there are many other worthy causes as well. You can't block traffic for every worthy cause...block people from living their lives to put what you personally feel is the most important social issue at the top of their world by forcing it on them through essentially trapping them. It's just plain wrong and nothing is going to change that. Yes what's going on in Gaza is more wrong, and yet it's still illogical af and morally wrong to pretend that this provides justification to trap people on freeways.

You don't even have to leave WW2 to find another genocide in China.

It wasn't even the only genocide in WW2.

It's not even unique to WW2. The Japanese killed somewhere between 3 and 10 million Chinese civilians, burning some of them alive. If that range sounds insane, it's because it is. Some estimates put the number of civiians killed by the Japanese as high as 20 million. Wikipedia.

True, but what if the toppings were mustard instead of tomato sauce, yogurt instead of cheese, and Skittles and banana chips and fortune cookies for toppings. Is it still a pizza?

On some level my acceptance of the pizza does depend on thematically appropriate toppings which I take for granted. There's room for a weird topping or two but if you subvert all expectations, one risks not being pizza at all.

But it's 2024 y'all, the pizza's orientation shouldn't matter ;D