MasterOBee Master/King @ MasterObee @lemmy.world

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You think it's a pile of cells with little value.

I believe it's a human life with inherent value.

Why does that make me stupid? Because I believe something differently than you? Why does that mean I am giving fascists 'coochie'?

How is it a straw man? Regardless of what your “intended concern” is the result is control over a woman’s body autonomy. How can you not see that reality?

Do you think because I believe the life in a womans belly has inherent value, that I literally want to enslave women?

If you think that, that's the the exact problem in our politics. You take things to the extremes and don't actually want to have conversation, you want to dominate and have your way. I understand the argument that women have a right to make choices on behalf of their bodies and what's best for it. Do you understand my argument?

Was this even really a response?

rarely (almost never?) hear them being as vocal in their support for low-income families with children. In other words, it seems as if you only pretend to care about the unborn life, but once it is born, you don’t care anymore. So how could anyone believe that this is all about life in general and not just about control?

I agree, it's one of my huge criticisms to the R's, and that's what makes the whole thing more frustrating with these establishment politicians. We have to have better ways to take care of the basics kids need, make sure our people are fed, the foster care system needs a drastic overhaul and a very simple way is for both republicans and democrats to provide actual tax breaks for charitable contributions. We need to be a giving nation to charities that help people directly and efficiently.

I can't do much except for trying to say that conservatives aren't inherently bad because we share a few loosely related world outlooks with Republicans, who I rarely consider being actually conservatives.

What else would you call women in this scenario? You’re literally worth less than a non-sentient proto-fetal clump

Worth an equal amount as another human life, you mean?

You perverting the other sides argument doesn't make you or your argument better, just makes you come off as stupid and lacking any understanding of the issue as a whole.

"Physicians who violate Texas’s abortion laws can lose their medical licenses, face up to 99 years in prison or incur fines of at least $100,000, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights"

You wouldn't have to deal with any decision as hard as this. How can you say a doctor is complicit? They're likely just doing their best then a law gets put in place threatening life in prison.

Unless you're put in that position, you have no room to say that shit.

You'll get downvoted because Lemmy appears as left wing as reddit, but it's true.

Y'all saying that all we want is to control women and enslave them is bullshit, they know our concern is about the life in the womans stomach, but always try to strawman that shit like we're just heartless woman haters.

As a conservative, why would I ever want to discuss and come to the table to discuss hard issues like these, when I just get called shit like I see in this thread. And people thinking I'm a literal nazi for considering the life of the baby?

Then they have the audacity to ask why we're so divided in this nation.

You argued against me saying it was reasonably likely, and just said it was for "conspiratards." I think that's a core difference between us, I don't compare people to retards simply because we have disagreements.

It's okay to be wrong, move on bud, and try to be a bit nicer to people that have different opinions than you. It's okay to disagree and be civil.

Anytime the government freely gives money to industries, they get incredibly bloated and extorted by these types.

It's sad, because often the money is supposed to go to a good cause, but over time it always seems to end up like this.

Wasn't there a huge civil suit against J&J that they avoided paying?

Just another big pharma company that is getting charged fines, but that's just their cost of doing business. These suits against J&J, Pfizer & more should put the company permanently out of business.

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The wet market located in wuhan which easily could have been a source. Or the lab where they were studying coronaviruses and also easily could have been a source.

Sweet. You finally agree with me of what the scientific communities consensus has been since they stopped censorship of the theory - there's a reasonable likeliness it was a lab leak.

Someone that hunts for food is 3rd world?

I think you've lost what it means to be human. I understand, you buy your eggs from the market, does it make someone inherently worse that they get their eggs from their chickens?

The whole reason we’re in this problem in the first place is that the legislative branch has basically ceded its power.

Agreed.

People in Congress don’t want to be responsible for changing laws so they just have the Supreme Court do it for them.

Disagree. That's not at all what's happening. Congress ceded their power to the president with the executive orders, and a mistake by the supreme court case resulting in the Chevron Deference, which should be ruled against next year.

so they just legislated from the bench and had the Supreme Court take away women’s rights.

Incorrect. They determined the previous ruling, which was actually so terrible RBG actively spoke against it and told the Dem's they needed to codify RVW, was incorrect. And they were right. There's absolutely no way judges, outside of activist judges, could have ruled RVW implementing term limitations for abortions. Their ruling should be based on the constitution, and nowhere can you ever extrapolate the constitution to determine at X weeks a baby is X way so they can be aborted, or past X weeks is too far for an abortion.

It should have always been a states issue.

And that's the problem with you - you have no empathy for others.

Guns are useful. Guns provide food for millions of american families. They provide protection for ones home. They provide protection for ones animals.

You want me to fight a coyote attacking my chickens with a knife?

You may live in a lifestyle that you don't need to hunt for food, you don't have a chicken or your family to protect, likely a big city. What about everyone else that doesn't share your lifestyle?

And my whole argument was "Reasonable likeliness"

Come on man, I didn't say anything concrete, or say anythings proven. You just dismiss it because it's not proven. There's a middle ground, like ya know, percentages.

You have 1 percent, 2 percent, 10 percent, and so on and so forth. So there's a scale rather than a binary "not proven, can't exist"

That in a case of self defense, I'd rather have a gun.

Well that’s certainly an accusation.

You've shown it.

most children do not cope well with losing their home,

Once again, you have a presumption of parental evilness in every scenario. I showed in my last message how to tackle this problem without involving teachers and going outside their scope.

It’s not about just having a “side secret”.

It literally is. If your child became religious and had meetings every day with a pastor for a few hours and the pastor wouldn't tell you what they talked about, are you comfortable with that?

Key word in that was might.

So you don't trust organizations set up to deal with youth homelessness, you also think that should be a burden on the teachers?

Come on man, what the hell are you even saying.

Even if it’s a school’s therapist, those resources are limited in scope, and assessment of need would be carried out.

So you think school therapists aren't good enough? Yet you think the teachers know more about how it will affect the student? Which is it, are the schools competent or not?

I think you and I both know that’s not the same, nor carries the same weight as potentially being abused and kicked out of your home due to being ousted as LGBT+.

0 difference. Cops can't arrests my spouse because they assume that she might one day abuse me.

If there is a reasonable suspicion that disclosing that information could lead to abuse, and not disclosing it wouldn’t, I’d much rather those “government employees” err on the side of not waiting until they’ve introduced a child into an abusive situation before doing something about it.

Instead of encouraging lying to parents, why not try to improve abuse and homeless programs? Why don't you advertise them in school? Giant posters "do you think you're being abuse? Talk to a school counselor to get information on resources"

Boom. This is fucking easy dude. You just want excuses for government employees to override the parenting of parents, without any evidence besides a teachers subjective observations and rash conclusions.

What I don’t want is a law that creates a situation where the above is true, and makes the situation worse.

What if it makes it better? A kid that's questioning gender have much higher suicide rates, what if the teacher withholds this information, and the kid commits suicide. That's on the teacher, is that what you want? Parents have that responsibility, not teachers. You want teachers to have the say, without any of the repercussions.

Their ability is foster the people of the future, and that includes safeguarding them from harm, including that introduced by the child’s parents.

Once again, that's not their duty. Their duty is educate the children how the people in the state and district desire.

You have this impression that government agents should be the ones determining the culture of the future. Paired with the government forcing us to give them our children for 8 hours a day 5 days a week or else they take our children from us.That's inherently dangerous and anti-liberal.

It just so happens that many (most) private schools have a barrier that prevents people without resources from attending, so private schools appear to do better because they have better outcomes, but it’s by design.

I have addressed one way to get around that off the top of my head above. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways.