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I never said the original poster made a general statement about the people, just the country being called a shithole, you came in and added the "can't call neo-nazi's trash anymore", a ridiculous statement I never made. In the context of my response being about how he refers to the country of Ukraine, how can your sarcastic complaint about me not be seen as referring to the the people? That's why I said not every Ukrainian is a Nazi.

My comment was pretty particular about the "your shithole" part. I don't care what negative thing he calls Banderites, and you'll see from my previous comments elsewhere in this thread I have no love for those who adore him.

Also I find it ridiculous you all are very happy to point to problematic groups in one country, yet systematically ignore it in another. Double standards like this is why I have difficulties not seeing the bias at play in these discussions.

America is a shithole, too, if you were wondering.

I agree it has its problems, but I'm not an American so it's easier to not get deluded by what they call "the American dream". Helps that even in my English classes growing up we dealt with topics such as the rampant poverty issues Americans face, and how many children live in poverty in the US. Though context matters; America is currently not being invaded. If it was a minor country on the world stage I would also not call it a "shithole". Same reason I can detect issues in certain African countries without ever calling them by that name, like one of their presidents did.

If you are from America, calling a country that's been suffering your world hegemony for so long a 'shithole', I can only say you are part of the reason that's the situation, and so you have no rights to call any country a shithole.

"You can't call our neo-Nazis trash and our state that celebrates Nazi collaborators a shithole! That's, uh, uh, that's racist!"

Not every Ukrainian is a Nazi. But sure, let your hate cloud your sense of decency, if that makes you feel better. I'm sure the mothers I've spoken to will be happy their children died because they were Nazis, besides I'm sure their elderly people just had it coming.. /s

Unlike you I don't see them as "acceptable collateral".

Yeah anyone supporting Banderas really needs to pick up a book that goes through what he did in his life. Whatever good someone might think he did, has been destroyed by his abhorrent actions. I don't applaud Hitler either for his progressive (at the time) animal rights.. He's a shit person, and deserved worse.

Lol, no. Also what the fuck is this "shit people olympics" ranking you got going on?

Damn, I thought your rules preclude you from making such a racist remark against a nationality. You can go join Trump with calling places "shitholes".

I find this weird support for Russia fascinating. They are clearly not free from nationalists and extremists sentiments themselves. Their own state media is calling for pre-emptive nuking of cities, Ireland being an acceptable collateral when nuking the UK, and their own former prime minister Medveded is yelling on twitter about achieving "Greater Russia". Here's someone who was awarded "Hero of the Russian Federation" by Putin himself.. It's almost as if Russia doesn't actually care, and they are just using it for their propaganda.

Also lol, they're saying they're not going to execute them because they aren't barbarians and giving them time to retreat, and then you take offense to that? That's such an odd stance. I personally applaud when someone says they want to avoid unnecesairy deaths, but you do you.

Hey, I'll pre-emptively apologise for the length of this post, as the topic is complex. Propaganda, nationalism, etc.. in Eastern Europe isn't a trivial topic, and I will tack on specific concerns with supporting Russia in general.

I think a large component that is missing here is the understanding of how propaganda in that region of the world works. Eastern Europeans in general had been warning about increased Russian aggression for more than a decade, and that it would come as "defense of Russian people". Most of this propaganda has been directed to Eastern Europe first and foremost, which is why they are the most defensive about the current events, they feel threatened, and with Ukraine being the size it is (one of the biggest countries in Europe) most of these countries are definitely "easier to tackle" than Ukraine is.

Hexbear users, I've been told by members of your community, are overwhelming Americans first and foremost, and you might be the exception, these users are not used to the methodology of the propaganda used here. Your corporate/capitalist propaganda works on fear (like the red scare, they're coming for your bathrooms, etc..), but the type of propaganda we have is best explained as "tell so many lies at once, the truth can't be discerned anymore". There is a reason why Eastern Europe has banned Russian media harder than any Western European country has, it's due to the history and experiences they have endured.

What I do think is a problem is how hexbear's own announcement post w.r.t federation talks specifically how Ukraine's government is at war with its people. But overwhelmingly its people support the current government, this is from my travels to those regions (yes anecdotal) and talking to people, but also from polls. They of course want an end to the war, but they want to rule themselves, not be ruled by Russians. Putin's war declaration speech that I watched specifically refers to Ukrainian identity not existing, that they are Russians. That Ukraine existing was Lenin's mistake. For Putin this isn't a war only with the government, but much more. So talking about this being a war waged by Ukraine's government on its people muddies the situation, I'll refer back to the way propaganda works in the East as "many lies to hide the truth", this one falls under that (in my opinion).

That post also talks about how Russia is there to protect Donbas people, which to me is an easy explanation after the fact as their first action wasn't to protect people, but to take over the region around their military base. Crimea was annexed months beforehand. This already makes Russia inherintly a biased participant and so what they say should be highly scrutinized. No country would admit they started a conflict unjustly or for self-interest, it's never happened in history, and the propaganda mill starts before a war starts. Russian media never talked about Ukrainian Nazism until it became advantageous to them. In fact they are currently giving sanctuary to the president who declared Banderas a national hero, Yanukovich, the one ousted by the revolution.

Lastly, this is a personal opinion that I can't stray from, I'm a firm believer no country with Russia's practices towards lgbtqia+ should receive "critical support" as some of your community members refer to it. This is because I would never give Taliban critical support either, even if they root out horror practices (like the raping of young children), this is because even if they are successful, the result is still oppression and suffering, just maybe a different target. That's not solving the problem, but prolonging it. I didn't support the US in their unjust invasion of Iraq either, their goals were never to improve the citizen's lives, I refer back to Putin's war declaration here.

Furthermore giving critical support is dangerous. Russia's nationalism is a huge problem for their border countries. I fear, if anything, Putin is containing the problem and in 10 years, when he's gone, we might face worse. Already their state media's talking heads talk about pre-emptive nuking places, taking over the Baltic, etc.. I do fear your critical support is giving undue space to a country who has fairly large ambitions to turn into "Greater Russia" once again, as former prime minister Medveded has happily posted about.

I do want to close by saying there is a Nazism and nationalism problem in Eastern Europe (West as well, but let's keep the focus on the topic at hand). This includes Ukraine and Russia. I won't make arguments against that. But I firmly believe that Russia's goal isn't to tackle that. Or rather that if people believe that, then Iraq's war was about weapons of mass destruction (it clearly wasn't, and even teenage me in Europe never believed that). I'll redirect to my earlier paragraph where I say "no country will ever admit they started an unjust selfish war". It's actually quite rare in history a war is started in defense of something just, but many wars are claimed in just that name. But I'm of the opinion that Ukraine being with Europe is a safer resolution to their problems than if they were absorbed by Russia, especially with how Putin has referred to them in the past.

Besides some countries in the EU already have electronic ID identifiers. They can just contact them to verify I'm claiming who I am without this weird "yeah we need a picture of you, and look through your webcam". Banks don't need to do this to verify who I am, so I don't see why "X" needs this weird privacy invading process

Thankfully I don't care about X (lol), and with more and more of my industry moving to mastodon I'm quite happy that I need it less and less to keep up with papers and articles

As with all jokes it matters who the audience is. My friends can make off-colour jokes with me, I can reciprocate with off-jokes. But I would never do this with people not fully aware of my actual opinions. This also counts to clear misogynistic jokes.

My closest female friends they would be fine with it, they've known me for years, I've supported them in their lowest and they know I would never mean the a horrible thing I say. They'll happily reciprocate with some toxic male jokes, or some gay jokes. That said, even when I make them they are both clear intended to be jokes, but if they ever looked uncomfortable then it would be my guilt to bear, as at the end, as the audience they are meant to enjoy the joke, not be sad or hurt by it.

Making them to strangers is a big no-no, and if strangers are in the room with you at the time (like a party) you also have to "match the energy" of your friend. That means don't randomly do something misogynistic that they would understand to be a joke, but strangers would not. I think this is the hardest for most people as they don't consider that strangers witnessing could also be accidental audiences.

If you license your software in a way that has exceptions for certain groups, that license is not a libre software license. If I’m reading this correctly, you just have proprietary software. Corporations cannot be treated differently than individuals, it violates the GPLv3 and other free software licenses recognized by the FSF.

Dual license exists and is fully GPLv3 complaint. I don't see why I'd allow corporations who will profit of my work, to enjoy the fruits of free labour, but you are free (hehe) to have a differing opinion there. Also, most of my licenses are AGPLv3 due to the networked capabilities of that license.

Also shame on you for saying “free labour.” Creating free software is not tied to “getting free labour,” your labour was not gratis.

In what way was it not free? If I contributed to the GNU project, and I received nothing in return, what part of that isn't free? I provided my labour for free, and signed the rights away to the license of the FOSS project.

If the only way to obtain a good standard of living is to restrict people’s freedom and hoard software, than the society itself is broken and unsustainable. But of course, your use of “society” is a way (intentionally or not) to deflect from the ongoing robbery of computer science leadered by the most parastic and compulsive hoarders and control freaks in your country.

This is something I, as an individual, cannot change. I can push societal change, but for now, we both (you as well) have to sell labour to survive. I assume you have a means of income yourself, so I assume you are breaking your principle as well.

A mega millionaire gives the same “feed my kids” that you do.

I am not a mega millionaire.. I'm someone who owns no house, but I do have a family, a mother with a disability that cannot work, a boyfriend who is unemployed, a pet who has to have surgery, and so I do need to provide for them. If that makes me your enemy, then so is every factory worker out there.

Yes, you are lost. You’ve admitted to creating nonfree software and parrot talking points used to derail the discussion to your own emotions

If needing to support my family means I'm lost, then I will wander forever. I can only guess you have enough money to not need to worry about the realities of surviving in a capitalist society as I there's no alternative to you owning the means to get online on an electronic device, without the means to pay for that.

So do you work, or are you rich? Because that's the only possibility here if you practice what you preach and aren't "selling your programming skills". I'd guess you have to be rich then.

we should be shooting: the millionaires who hire the poachers

Damn, I was looking forward to eating them. :(

But you're entirely right. Obviously the poachers do the hunting, but there are people rich enough out there that put a price on rhinos to begin with, they are the real problem. They wouldn't be hunted if there was no incentive.

Well that's just painful to read. I wonder how political a conference could be named before he thinks even showing up is no longer the neutrality he thinks he is showing. "BasedCon" is by its definition a political name, and simply showing up shows you are at least receptive to the message, or willing to ignore it.

I do get that he might be wanting to disassociate the Con from the craft, but if I take it further, would he go to PolPotCon? I doubt he would, even if the interest aligned.

Ah exactly the type of game we're all waiting for, now my data can partially live on another server somewhere else instead of just the dev's servers, revolutionairy /s

I enjoy my open source work, and if I had the means I would only do open source work, but I can't in today's society. Doesn't mean I don't believe all software should be free, but in how society today is I wouldn't be able to pay for the means to sustain myself and those close to me.

Donations really only go so far and some of the projects I've contributed to are too niche to survive on those :/

I always license my personal projects as free for whoever wants to use it free and wants to contribute back. It's never free for commercial entities though because screw them profiting off of my free labour.

With this, would you still think I'm lost? Or is there some nuance that could be applied if I responded with both wanting all software up be FOSS, but also that I need to have the means to support those around me.