LustyArgonian @ LustyArgonianMana @lemmy.world

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? You don't see how it's relevant to current victims and current politics?

Cool, but when you dismiss or ignore these very real concerns instead of just using verbiage that acknowledges and accepts it, then you lose voters because they perceive you as a liar.

And I meant that Bill was president while on the plane.

Who do you think is leftwing? Democrats? Like status quo Dems? Like the 2016 presidential candidate Hilary Clinton, who is STILL MARRIED to Bill Clinton? The Clinton's who funded the DNC in 2016 in exchange for explicit support by the party during the primary? This is something ALL lefties are comfortable acknowledging and talking about and we definitely want "girls girl" Hilary Clinton to be in office as a rapist apologist?

Like exactly WHO on the left is bringing up these topics when saying how unacceptable the Clinton's are in tbe party? What established politician? Or is it journalists and actual leftists and progressives?

That's like saying establishment Dems care about Citizens United, or stopping officials from holding stocks, or the Panama Papers. It's the wealthy versus the people and always has been.

We can call out Trump's crimes without ignoring everyone else's. It absolutely disgusts me to read the interference ya'll are running for literal rapists. And that you think it's acceptable because "Trump is running for office," is insane. No.

Trump is running for president, yeah, but Clinton was actually the president when this happened. The court cases are literally ongoing.

Yeah I think Clinton's current victims actually find these crimes quite relevant today.

Diddy hasn't really been relevant in a decade, neither was Cosby, should we just ignore them too? Video of Cassie being beaten was forever ago, who cares? Cassie doesn't need justice, right? The American public don't deserve to know what's been going on either, which btw is tbe entire moral basis for journalism and the idea of integrity.

Maybe if you were victim centered with crimes, you could see why it's concerning there are so many horrible rapists in politics.

And I voted for Kamala. I actually think as a woman and a prosecutor who was exposed to these crimes, she is a great candidate for office with a lot of potential.

Lol certainly don't mention that Bill Clinton was on that plane either, or else you'll see the Lemmy version of the literal same effect, even though neither that man nor his wife are running for office and criticizing them is valid and protected speech. I am currently being told in another thread that Clinton's abuse of power and thus sexual abuse of Monica Lewinsky is "just as bad" as the consensual cheating relationship Newt engaged in at the time. Even though no, one involved abuse of power and one didn't.

No one in this country is willing to be honest or have a backbone. It's pathetic. How about we don't stump for rapists at all, no matter their political affiliation.

What? 13 years ago is still years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#:~:text=False%20equivalence%20is%20a%20common,or%20ignorance%20of%20additional%20factors

False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.

False equivalence arguments are often used in journalism[9][10] and in politics, where flaws of one politician may be compared to flaws of a wholly different nature of another.

Abuse of power (SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT) and cheating is what Clinton did. That's different than simple cheating. Like my very first comment thoroughly explains this. If you are a man still arguing against me for this false equivalence, I'm going to assume you don't care about rape and sexual assault. There's a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE to the VICTIM if the act was CONSENSUAL or not. Hope this helps!

It's definitely not dense at all to try to gaslight a woman into believing that sexual assault is the same as a consensual relationship just because they both involved cheating....

Do it, bitch

Eta: you can dish it but you can't take it? Honestly collectively the dick size on lemmy must be a micrometer

But it wasn't just an affair. It was an abuse of power. Afaik Newt wasn't having an affair with a staffer. So it's a false equivalence, you acorn.

while impeaching Bill Clinton for having an affair,

Okay can we stop with the whole “Clinton was impeached for an affair.”

See how this is the comment I took issue with and that's what I started my comment with? Calling it an affair negates the abuse of power involved. As I explained ad nauseum. Just because you're a man who doesn't like respecting women, doesn't mean I've been extremely clear.

OK that's just like, your opinion, man

I was just scrolling on Steam one day and saw it. Loved the music and the aesthetic and when it went on sale (back when the Steam sales were mindblowing and Newegg was also mindblowing), I got it. Love it so much but these days I use TEdit/a map editor to make pretty designs on my worlds. I have a lava swamp in hell, a drag stage/nightclub in hell, several glittering giant forests (snow, fairy, and halloween), an erupting volcano, an amusement park off a pier, lots of planets in space, and my mushroom surface biome is starry night themed.

Meanwhile my brother in law plays huge pvp campaigns with his friends on maps they mod together, and I had a friend who made those puzzle haunted house type maps. You can do so much in that game it's wild.

It remains that the problem with the Monica Lewinsky relationship is that Clinton had power over her, not that he simply cheated. It added validity to the other sexual harassment claims because it was also a clear case of sexual harassment.

I was quoting the other person about what specifically caused his impeachment. Regardless of the exact moment that caused it, the issue with Lewinsky remains as I've explained it: an abuse of power. It's not that he "got impeached for a blowjob" or for cheating and when people phrase it like that, they are dismissing and ignoring the real concerns regarding abuse of power.

And yet it made a little detour to excuse Bill Clinton anyway

Okay can we stop with the whole "Clinton was impeached for an affair." It was because it was with a staffer he has power over. It was extremely inappropriate. We shouldn't be cool with men in powerful positions abusing those positions to fuck people they have power over. Monica Lewinsky was literally half Clinton's age (22 and 49) and was horrifically abused by all of society AND CLINTON and HIS WIFE.

Like seriously if this was the president of a bank fucking some teller, who he is in charge of paying and promoting, no one would be confused why that banker should step down for abuse of power. The dude was president of the ENTIRE COUNTRY, and you can't see how that's abuse of power?

Like fuck Newt but also fuck Clinton who was buddies with Epstein. And him leaving his wife who had cancer is EGREGIOUS.

Eta: Lemmy is full of rapist apologists I guess. If you can't understand how consent is VITAL and how it makes a world of difference, I hope you live a life being treated exactly how you treat others and women. There's a man out there who will treat you, as a man, the same way. Good luck.

Women having independent thoughts 🤢🤮 ^/s