Locuralacura @ Locuralacura @lemm.ee

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Kurt Vonnegut. Met him at a Brooklyn farmers market, sitting on a bench. He seemed lonely and talked to me for so long I had to excuse myself.

I am and always will be the left Ubuntu user

You like saying people go around pointing fingers, but I only see your finger pointing at me.

Did I use rude and insuting language at you? Did I make unsubstantiated claims and then back down when asked for clarification?

Your shit stinks just like everyone else's

This entire comment chain of you trying to deflect away from taking action

Where exactly? What action am I deflecting?

You're the who's moving the goalpost

Please elaborate/ substantiate what have I said that is contradictory?

You said 'voters won't change anything' but voting green is the way to change... If only people would vote green. So which one is it???

climate denial bullshit

Please point to the place where I denied climate change.

You've pointed your finger at me the entire time we've talked, while failing to own your own words. You can't move the goal posts and expect anyone to give a shit about your opinions. You are saying voting can't change anything, while saying voting is the way to change the problem. Pick one please.

What you originally said...

They could vote for policy makers that bring change, or go into politics themselves. But they don't actually want to be affected by such policy changes. It's always the others, always just finger pointing.

This implied that if we voted green, if I went into politics on a environmental platform, if I inconvenienced myself, it could change things. This does, indeed, suggest some sort of solution. I politely disagreed for a variety of reasons, you rudely misunderstood. Did I blame China? No I pointed out that voting green wouldn't change China. Did I say America is awesome. No I said America is a major part of the problem.

You say everyone is out there finger pointing, but you are unclear, and blaming me for not understanding what you are trying to say perfectly. Point the finger up your tight butt instead of at me.

How shall I help again exactly? Voting? I didn't blame China, I simply pointed out that your solution, 'voting' doesn't work in a place that doesn't have participatory democracy. China is to blame just like America is. The wealthy, powerful Chinese and Americans, who actually could do something besides idiotically arguing, decide to continue fucking the world, our children's futures, and everything else that gets in the way of their maintaining that power. Mostly the people with power over the problem actively ignore or disregard the problem. I do vote. I pick up trash. I avoid buying new stuff, beyond that, since I'm not the CEO of Exon Mobil, I really don't have agency.

Okay. Thanks for politely correcting me. But which country is the largest emitter of CO2?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271748/the-largest-emitters-of-co2-in-the-world/

Not that this changes anything. It's just another idiotic talking point as you so politely pointed out. But then again, I never asserted the idiotic notion that we could simply vote the problem away either.

You did.

Then you politely pointed out that it was stupid to talk about America.

Then you made sure to call me an idiot, because America is the largest emitter of greenhouse gasses.

Care to elaborate on any of this in a productive manner?

Sure. It's just, communism is not an answer. It's human nature that fucks up these systems. We need to address human nature

I felt an existential crisis about this a few years ago. I wanted everyone to simply stop everything, appreciate what they had. I sat down and spent an entire year as simply as possible. Eating simply, consuming very little. The truth is, it's difficult to do and in our society it is not rewarded. I felt like it was a period of self improvement, but the ultimate truth is, I could not control anyone else, even if I was the living personification of self sustaining anti consumerism. Now I teach early elementary. Participating in this very small way feels like a vast improvement to hiding out like a hermit.

I can't control anyone, especially wealthy adults. But I can influence the future adults.

Meditation, study, gardening, self improvement are paid jobs. We've given freedom to those who are able to use it in a responsible manner. Hard labor is a 4 to 5 hour gig that we take turns doing, not because we are forced to, but because we understand the necessity and value of the work. Work is not seen as something we must do to have a house and food, but it is seen as participating in our society.

Compassion, tolerance, and freedom are primal virtues.

Personally I love work, I love the feeling of charity, I love learning how to better myself.

Okay, but I was replying to that user. Americans must stop consuming, and that is not controversial at all.

What the hell are you going on with all this US brabbling

Well well well, now you want to discuss US? Now it suddenly seems relevant? Hmmmmm.

The largest emitter of greenhouse gasses, and CO2 is China, which not a democratic county. The second largest is United States. Idk how to discuss the possibility of 'voting' the climate change problem away without mentioning these two nations.

I think America is one of the participatory democratic countries. But many other countries are not. What are you actually confused about??

Ok. Well, not all countries are democracies. So, excluded those ones right off the bat. And then narrow it to voters who participate and those who do not.

Are you talking about American voters?

Only about 35 percent of the eligible voters participated, so yeah. Apathy and complacent comfort is a big player in the game. I'm pretty convinced that a lot of people's apathy comes from the lack of political agency. When business interests conflict with human interests guess who wins every time.

There's like 100 people with the power to make the change and they've all decided to invest the money and power in self preservation. It's the biggest 'fuck you proletariat scum' I could imagine. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff

I can't imagine a more contentious, biased moderator.

You blame the state for not funding more charter schools, which is a convoluted way of saying defund public schools.

You blame your parents for not homeschooling you, because they had to work. You yourself would rather just work. Think about it a little. Would you be able to pull your kids out of school, homeschool them if you are busy working? Or would you send your kids directly to work at the age of 10? Would you like the state to rewrite child labor laws?

You blame the state legislators? This is the first time in our serval day long conversation that you mentioned legislators. You previously solely mentioned teachers, your school ect.

Perhaps you should petition your legislators instead of pointlessly arguing with random internet strangers.

I am a public school teacher. I am an educator. My job is helping young children gain life skills in the hope that they will be successful in life. I am only interested in solutions to problems. I don't see how any of your suggestions lead towards solutions.

Go try to make a positive contribution. You are just complaining that your experience in highschool sucked. 'Things should be different.' That's all I've heard from you. How are you going to make things different? Will it be better for all of us or does your solution only benefit your circumstances?