I don't like grading evil for this very reason so I think I will refrain from doing so - thank you for catching me doing that. I will refrain from doing that.
That said, AI CSAM could enable other forms of abuse through blackmail. I can also see very harmful things happening to a child or teenager because people may share this material in a targeted way.
Does imagining a different partner while having sex or masturbating count? I would imagine most people would say, “no”.
You can't share that though so while I still think it is immoral, it is also kind of impossible to know.
Now a highly skilled portrait artist paints a near replica of somebody he knows, but has never seen in the nude. They never mention their friend by name, but the output is lifelike and unmistakably them.
Maybe a digital artist finds a few social media pictures of a person and decided to test drive Krita and manipulates them into appearing nude.
Those would be immoral and reprehensible. The law already protects against such cases on the basis of using someone's likeness.
It's harmful because it shares images of someone doing things they would never do. It's not caricature, it's simply a fabrication. It doesn't provide criticism - it is simply erotic.
Taking that a step further, is it illegal to find somebody’s doppelganger and to dress them up so that they look more like their double?
If the goal is to look like you, I would imagine it is possible to defend by law. Otherwise, it is simply coincidence. There's no intent there.
I don't think it is a stretch or slippery slope. Just as a picture is captured by a camera, a drawing is captured by a person or a machine.
Both should be the same and it is often already the case in many jurisdictions around the world when it comes to CSAM.
If someone is consistently disruptive, even if they don’t technically break the rules or are borderline, show them the door.
I will say that's exactly why we have the one "be(e) nice" rule. It's entirely subjective and it allows mods to more freely act on that without someone being able to ruleslawyer.
Feel free to message me on Beehaw or email at support@beehaw.org, I'll review the message and say why I might've denied it though I can't answer for others.
Does it matter if someone jerks off to JaLo in the Fappening or some random AI generated BS?
The issue is that this technology can be used to create pornographic material of anyone that has some level of realism without their consent. For creators and the average person, this is incredibly harmful. I don't want porn of myself to be made and neither do a lot of creators online.
Not only are these images an affront to the dignity of people but it can also be incredibly harmful for someone to see porn of themselves they did not make with someone else's body.
This is a matter of human decency and consent. It is not negotiable.
As mentioned by @ram@lemmy.ca, this can also be used for other harmful things like CSAM which is genuinely terrifying.
I really don’t get the “oversight” part of keeping someone who is banned from a community on the moderator team there. Can you give me an example how this would make sense?
Oversight as in, "I would never think this would not work so I commited a mistake".
We’ve always said we are open to discuss actions but you’ve always said when the “when modtools are available”.
And I stand by that.
And what do you propose should be done to tackle these issues?
I generally think that Lemmy.world's focus on growth while being the biggest instance results in a bad site culture but I still think this problem can be tamed on our side with better mod tools.
And yes, we were also told initially that it was because of a lack of moderation tools but now @Lionir@beehaw.org seems indicate a “cultural” difference. But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.
Yes, there are differences in site culture between Beehaw and Lemmy.world that make the need for moderation higher.
Some of these are likely not hard to fix but some of these are a bit more complicated like fixing the report system.
So it'd say it's largely the former two though I'd like to mention that these issues appear to not be treated as critical problems by the main Lemmy developers so I believe this is also a policy problem.
Why not remove them as mod? I don’t understand why you would keep anyone in the mod team that has been banned from the community?
Oversight - that simple.
Yes that is a problem with Lemmy in general. But why this only seen as a problem for people from Lemmy World and sh.itjust.works?
That is not actually a problem with Lemmy in general - community bans do block posting unlike site bans. As for why, well, it was done at that point in time because Lemmy.World and Sh.it just.works took a lot of moderation time - for one reason or another, bad actors liked to go there. I have no reason to believe this has changed now that .World is now many times bigger than it was.
Why ban for 9999 days if you can leave it empty and perma-ban?
Oversight or malice. You can break the modlog of everyone you're federated with because of this - that is dangerous.
But Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and sh.itjust.works very early on and in the meantime they are federated with instances that are as big as Lemmy.World was back then.
Size doesn't necessarily mean problems though. I think it's probably a culture problem as the root cause but I don't think .World wants to tackle that problem so all I can do is wait for better tools.
That is not a feature, you would have to subscribe to the communities individually - that said, please only subscribe to what you actually enjoy. It balloons needlessly costs when federation is used outside of genuine interest. It may also pollute the all feed.
That said, defederation is a tool like any to build site culture and moderate spaces. If the only thing we can have are awful spaces because we should not curate our own community, we'd be better off not federating at all. Thankfully, most admins understand this and do take actions when necessary.
From where I'm standing, I can't really much has changed unfortunately.. which really sucks..
Lemmy.world has grown substantially meanwhile the moderation tools have not improved at all. All I can say about the moderation tools is that we now know that the tools suck more than they used to.
Here's a list of moderation problems that we have discovered since then:
If a Berson is reported on another instance, we never get the report.
If a mod is banned from the community they mod, they can still take mod actions
If you get site-banned from Beehaw while you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from that instance and kbin can see your posts
People from other instances can't know who if someone is an admin on the instance they're interacting with
People from other instances can't see when we use the shield function to signal we're talking "officially / as a mod"
The modlog is not chronological
The modlog breaks if you ban someone for more than 4 digit days.
A banned user's description is still visible so if they link to a scat image in their description, it is still visible to moderators.
Despite these newly known problems, there have been exactly no improvement whatsoever to the moderation tools. It is honestly unsettling and terrifying.
It appears it was because of misoginy and queerphobia.
On this post (https://beehaw.org/post/561345), they were advocating for women to be treated as inferiors based on the story of Adam and Eve.
On this post (https://beehaw.org/post/562870), they were advocating for people to stop celebrating pride, compared gay people to murderers and thiefs and advancing the idea of a bigoted "silent majority".
Looking at their newer posts on kbin, I think this was the right call.
![Lionir [he/him]](https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/a8975c5a-48a1-4158-8740-699f82a00c2e.webp?format=webp&thumbnail=128)
I don't like grading evil for this very reason so I think I will refrain from doing so - thank you for catching me doing that. I will refrain from doing that.
That said, AI CSAM could enable other forms of abuse through blackmail. I can also see very harmful things happening to a child or teenager because people may share this material in a targeted way.
I think both are inhumane and disgusting.