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Nobody has actually given an example of "those who actually do have experience in the field". Nobody is making that argument in good faith. Anyone "with experience in the field" of political matters is part of one or another ideological camp too, and thus either gets entirely dismissed for their bias, or worshipped for it, depending entirely upon which camp is reading the content. Unexpected outsiders to politics(which Einstein certainly was not, it's just not historically well known to the libs) that are venerated in their fields are fundamentally more persuasive to bystanders who aren't acting in bad-faith than the people with obvious bias.

I liked you until the "free speech absolutist" remark. Nazis should have been rounded up and put through re-education a long time ago. Call it rehabilitation if that appeals more to lib sensibilities.

Liberal lack of action on this has taken it past the point of no return and now the only possible outcome is a violent one. It was possible to contain it, had sources of radicalisation been suppressed and the affected fixed, but now it's impossible, there are simply too many fascists.

I find the idea that you think marginalised people like myself should just exchange ideas with the people that want to exterminate us repulsive.

“We all want clean water”, and on the same token I think a more core freedom is the freedom of expression or access to health and well being. Here we’re squabbling over philosophy when there are core tenets we universally agree on, and remembering that common ground for our common humanity should be more valuable than “I told a (insert perjorative here) off”.

We don't universally agree on this. The capitalists do NOT believe that access to water is a right, nor food for that matter. They believe fundamentally in the ideology of "if you don't do work that enriches me, you do not deserve to have these things that you need to survive".

I mean, how about a fucking place to live?

Yes they don't believe in that either. These aren't "bizarre issues", you're missing the fact that they fundamentally don't believe you should have these things unless it involves enriching them in the process. And that they fundamentally believe people should die if they don't want to do that. This is the core of their ideology.

I imagine you’re not going to defend this xenophobia.

I don't see what relevance any of that has. You guys from lemmygrad need to learn from hexbear and learn when not to be self-wreckers when dealing with libs, all this does is function as support for the libs in this thread, of course nobody supports the sinophobic shit, find me a comrade that wasn't fucking weird about asians at the time - good luck. That doesn't stop us using them wherever valid.

It’s fine if you included the Einstein quote in there as a note to end on, but it shouldn’t be your argument, since honestly, Einstein’s political views shouldn’t mean more solely on the basis of breakthroughs in physics (despite what Einstein claims).

"Shouldn't mean more" than what? The shmucks here commenting with their vast amount of knowledge about socialism gained from reddit comment sections? Yes it absolutely should mean more.

There it is. The thought-terminating cliche.

You can't just say random words frequently said by marxists completely outside their correct context and have them mean anything.

Cool. Where was this when they had leverage in Congress?

If they proposed it then they might have actually had to pass it or look bad.

I'm not familiar enough with this one to form an opinion, I'm not in the habit of holding opinions without proper investigation first and placing of things in their historical context, I can't really do that right now I'm afraid. We're both fortunate that for your previous questions I'm already fairly well read on to be honest.

So, maybe? Maybe not? lol. Aren't these islands where the Ainu were from? They probably should be in control of the indigenous peoples so neither, but that's unrealistic if they're basically gone now. I'm probably saying something culturally incentive in my ignorance of the subject though.

Ok Einstein.

and let Russia be the only one committing war crimes by doing that

Anyone that has been following this war properly knows that's not really true. Donetsk city has been the subject of indiscriminate ukrainian shelling and missiles since the start. These drone attacks against civilians aren't changing some sort of unbroken streak of not attacking civilians.

I don't think it's fair to blame the civilian population, much like I don't really think the civilian population of america is blameable for iraq or afghanistan. These are things that leadership does and the civilian population are very easily led to follow in the moment. They get no say in the matter.

Yeah this is not much really. So they're gonna fly a few random drones? It means very little without breaking the defensive lines, which are so far proving to be a huge problem.

There was no Chinese invasion of Vietnam until the sino-vietnam war that occurred years after the Vietnam war(civil war) in which China made the horrendous historical mistake of supporting the Khmer Rouge, but this itself was somewhat complicated. China had committed to protecting Cambodia, but Cambodia had a lot of fucky people on the border that were repeatedly invading Vietnam and performing pogroms and mass murders, not respecting their territorial integrity. This went on for far too long and Vietnam in order to protect themselves from Cambodia invaded Cambodia, doing a regime change. China launched their short-lived 1 month invasion in response to this as part of their commitment to their horrendously chosen ally, this is murky waters and not exactly a spontaneous invasion.

Not really sure what you're going for here.

Digg poweruser, joined reddit in the digg exodus, spent many years pissing off redditors through various projects, ShitRedditSays, HailCorporate, GamingCirclejerk, the fun ones come and go in waves of interest as the zeitgeist moves along.

Been on lemmy for 3 years already now.

You'll probably enjoy when Hexbear.net federates in 5 days time. Some of these other people won't lmao.

Lmao. Fuck no. The US involvement there was global imperialism trying to cling to its colonial holdings.

A more accurate example would be the Cuban missile crisis. And yes I 100% get why the Americans had a problem with it.

You're avoiding giving any other examples. Either because you don't know any, or because you know you can't offer one that wasn't a fascist.

And Britain's empire the larger case study that comes before that.

Excellent.

I am for the status quo but won't be surprised if this constant interference from the US pushes them to end the matter permanently. It has been fine up until the US took an interest in it as part of the latest round of great power conflict. I won't be happy about it, but I will understand what caused it.

Evidence for that claim?

Are we really quibbling over 6 years here? Being off by a handful of years on the date doesn't materially change the point.