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  • I don't think it has to be a part of their identity. I don't love the last party I just voted for. But if one of the parties vying for my vote calls supporters of that party garbage, I'm less inclined to listen to them.

    Someone fed up with maga knows probably has a lot of trump supporting friends, family, church community etc whom they probably don't appreciate being called garbage.

  • Totally reasonable.

    And sometimes (often, if I'm being honest) I find myself getting tired of shitty people being able to do and say shitty things and somehow it's rude to call it out.

    Fully agree. It's goddamn exhausting trying to be the good guys. Feels.like the other side gets to cheat, like the villains throwing civilians in harms way so the heroes have to save them etc.

    But the older I get and the more concerned about the world we're leaving for my friends' kids, the more I care about winning elections instead of feeling smugly superior. (I said, while being smugly superior at people on my side whom I feel are being childish and/or counter-productive.)

  • I think you're maybe misreading the point? Calling trump supporters garbage alienates those people who are in the middle (who clearly exist as evidenced by the polling swings over the last few months.)

    I'd rather we do whatever to win every possible vote instead of pointlessly/counter-productively namecalling from the moral highground but maybe that's just me.

  • I love there were 2 sentences respond ling to the point and then a diatribe about the other side is evil.

    I'm not arguing the merits of maga. What I'm saying is pretty simple, if you were on the fence or say, one of the (I think it's quarter-ish?) of Latinos supporting trump who was maybe repelled by that comedian, Biden just went and called you the same damn thing. And he's the president, not a warm up act amidst a dozen or whatever speakers.

  • Totally fair. And there are definitely reasons to dislike Bezos but on the which of the two is worse... Going Musk over Bezos feels a little.like the folks claiming trump will be better for Palestineans. Bezos didn't let his paper endorse trump, Musk is full on bribing people, campaign rallying for trump etc.

    But to each their own, like I said, plenty of reasons to dislike Bezos.

  • I'll leave you to complaining about the media inventing sexism, racism and fascism.

    No one said this but I'm cool ending this interaction.

    As a self growth thing though, I do strongly suggest trying to make a friend who votes differently. It can be frustrating but it helps you understand that there are in fact people who disgagree with you and gasp aren't racist/sexist/fascist.

    ("But they're voting for one!" "And your sweatshop clothes are the physical embodiement of sexism/racism/colonialism, are you also a write off as a person?)

    Cheers.

  • I think if you've found the majority of people being fascist, that's a you conflating disagreement or supporting trump with fascism.

    Which is easy, fun but intellectually lazy and kinda how we got to where we are.

  • Has any incumbent government coming out of covid/inflation survived? It's not an excuse but people tend to focus on that which affects them personally, otherwise sweatshop clothes wouldn't exist.

    And the Left wing media ecosystem has spent the last decade decrying sp much as sexist, racist or fascist that independents etc have largely tuned it out.

    Breaks my heart but that's where we are.