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Yes that's my point, it is disgusting that the lesser of two evils is aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide.

Adulthood has nothing to do with this, it is a question about basic morality. Moral people are able to look beyond their own suffering to recognize the suffering of others. Moral people oppose genocide.

High road!?

When I looked at my ballot, I saw Genocide Joe and Even-More-Genocide Don.

I dont think a "high road" has been on the national ballot in my lifetime.

Chelsea Manning is a national hero who was tortured in US prison for 7 years. During that time she spent over a year in solitary confinement, and as a result of this internationally-condemned practice she tried to kill herself multiple times.

If you knew you would be subject to indefinite torture, wouldnt you flee to Russia too? Why would you subject yourself to living conditions so brutal that you decide killing yourself is the best option?

And Dems were particularly vulnerable to FUD due to their rightward shift on policy, poor messaging, and support for an ongoing genocide. Maybe the party should take some responsibility for once.

I'm not proposing a "solution" here, but the logic is obvious: as the Democratic Party moves to the right, their traditional base becomes more alienated and less incentivized to vote.

Your narrative is that Latinos "shifted right" but I think this is a false framing- it was the Biden/Harris administration that shifted hard right on its proposed immigration policies and it left many Latino voters feeling politically abandoned.

Look at the Democrats' 2024 immigration bill- it is deportations, immigration quotas, and building the wall - while including nothing "left of center" such as amnesty. It is literally a Trump 2016 wishlist.

Why can't the DNC and progressive voters do the same?

Because the DNC is structured explicitly to prevent progressive challengers.

There are many examples, but one big one is the DNC vendor banlist. The DNC says that any vendors who work with progressive primary challengers will be banned from any future work with the party.

This means that progressive challengers often cannot find vendors to do basic things like print flyers and signs, and finding experienced staff to hire is nearly impossible. And of course, "centrist" candidates have not been bothered by this.

And then at the top of the DNC you have hundreds of superdelegates and party officials who are overwhelmingly center right or rightwing. These people cannot be voted out directly.

It is funny you bring up "fire in a crowded theater", that is the perfect example to prove my point.

The "fire in a crowded theater" analogy was first used by Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendal Holmes, but the "fire" was actually anti-WW1 pamphlets and the "theater" was actually a public street. So the leftist handing out anti-war pamphlets was jailed.

But you're right, the first amendment does not protect you from the ramifications of your speech. Someone yelling in a theater should be met with a disorderly conduct charge, and nazis in the streets should be met with organized antifascist violence. Death threats that pass a reasonableness standard are prosecuted as felony harassment. Death threats that do not pass this standard are protected under the first amendment.

But in my opinion, there is no crime that warrants being sent to Guantanamo. A lifetime of torture is a fate far worse than death, and there should be no room in a civilized world for such barbarism.

If there was an "Ugliest Human Alive" competition, Daniella Weiss would have my vote.

She would also be in the running for "most refugees spit on" lifetime award.

If we somehow passed a Nazi ban (pass it through this fascist government? lol), they would just use it to jail and torture left wing protesters.

There isnt much of America worth defending, but one great thing we do have is the First Amendment. Let's not throw it out just for some baby nazis.

2016?! My brother in christ, the corporate takeover of American government was finalized with Reagan back in the 80s.

We may be entering a new phase of Fucking Around with fascism, but most of these modern problems are just us Finding Out how a corporatocracy functions.

I'm right here. Democrats are still evil for supporting a genocide, and your "lesser of two evils" logic continues to make us more evil.

What do you think of the 30 days the Democrats gave Israel to improve the humanitarian situation by measurable metrics? Israel failed every metric, but the Democratic administration ignores the results and continues to ship weapons to the genocidal regime.

What do you think of the dozens of international doctors who have been to Gaza saying they saw children with single gunshot wounds to the head almost everyday? Reports are widespread that israeli snipers are intentionally killing 100s of children each month.

What do think of Israels recent use of small arms drones? After an American/Israeli bomb destroys a civilian building, a dozen small drones swarm the area. These drones fire small cube-shaped projectiles with the force to pierce skin and break bones, using AI to target any human in the designated area. They are deadly accurate and fast, firing 3 at the head, 3 at the chest, and 3 at the groin. Doctors say these projectiles are especially hard to fish out of the bodies of the child victims as they rarely exit the body, instead they bounce around causing more internal damage.

Suggesting that the people upset about an ongoing genocide are just going to forget about it due to electoral politics is disgusting, and you should feel ashamed.

The statistically low levels of crime we are currently experiencing do not support your hypothesis.

The word genocide has not lost its meaning, you just obviously never understood it.

It is not about numbers of dead. The world considers the Bosnians to be victims of a genocide, but "only" 8000 people died in Srebrenica.

The US set out specific criteria, such as 350 aid trucks need to enter every day.

Now the results are in, only 40 trucks a day were allowed in, and starvation is getting worse. Will the US stick to its word and withhold weapons to Israel? Of course not.

It is now blatantly obvious this whole sceme was a lie to influence the election.

Lying to the American public while supporting a genocide, this is exactly why Democrats deserved to lose this election.

I agree, but why are we picking on the stupid, well-meaning idiots?

This election results show 10s of millions of Americans support fascism, and many different demographics failed to show up to support Kamala.

Singling out the Palestinian support just feels like Islamophobia, or perhaps an emotional reaction to being accused of supporting a genocide.

They said loudly for over a year that, if democrats continue to ship unlimited weapons to an ongoing genocide, that their votes would be forfeit. Maybe you disagree with that tactic, but every person has a right to vote their conscience in this country.

Democrats made the decision to explicitly exclude Palestinians from the party. Why would you think that the blame falls upon the voter and not the party that abandoned them?

Yeah fuck those people who care about an ongoing genocide! My feelings about the recent election are more important! /s