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Yep that's exactly my point, the US is doing Whataboutism when it issues these PR stunts to condemn Chinese atrocities.

I agree that declassification is a great thing, but it is not so black and white. Not all info becomes declassified eventually, so much is covered up and destroyed.

For example, much is known about the My Lai massacre in the Vietnam War. Most of this information is known due to declassified documents. But these declassified documents also mention that there were over 100 My Lai-level massacres that occured, most of which we know nothing about. Army Chief of Staff Westmoreland was quoted saying we do a "My Lai each month".

One of the largest, codenamed Speedy Express, reportedly killed 11,000 people, and was covered up at the highest levels.

It is not my intention to give other countries a pass. Indonesia is guilty of genocide in the case of East Timor; the US is guilty as well.

The genocide in East Timor is analogous to the ongoing genocide in Palestine.

Both genocides are not conducted by US personnel, but the majority of arms are supplied by the US. The US gives international legitimacy to the genocidal party, while running defense for it's atrocities. The genocide in East Timor was ended by a phone call from the US president, and I am of the firm belief that the genocide in Gaza could be ended by a similar call. Previous Israeli atrocities were ended by calls from Reagan and Bush Sr.

As an American I think it's helpful to put this into some sort of perspective.

Things the US won't forget:

• Tiananmen Square (thousands dead)

Things the US will forget:

• Korean War (3mil civilian dead)
• Vietnam War (2mil civilian dead)
• Iraqi War (1mil civilian dead)
• Violent overthrow of East Timor (widely considered a genocide)
• Violent overthrow of Afghanistan (twice, over 1 mil dead)
• Violent overthrow of Nicaragua
• Violent overthrow of Grenada
• Violent overthrow of Panama
• Violent overthrow of Libya
• Coup d'etat of Guatemala
• Coup d'etat of Iran
• Failed Coup d'etat of Syria
• Failed Coup d'etat of Indonesia
• Many failed Coup d'etat attempts on Cuba
• Coup d'etat of Congo
• Coup d'etat of Laos
• Coup d'etat of the Dominican Republic
• Coup d'etat of Iraq
• Coup d'etat of Brazil
• Successful Coup d'etat of Indonesia (1 mil dead)
• Coup d'etat of Chile
• Multiple Coup d'etat of Bolivia
• Coup d'etat of Haiti
• Multiple Coup d'etat attempts on Venezuela
• Coup d'etat of Palestine
• Mass civilian casualties, destabilization of many governments, people subject to a lifetime of torture without a trial, all under the War on Terror

This list could be so much longer, but I gotta get to work.

Under lots of pressure, Bono recently released his most forceful statement on the subject

“Hamas, release the hostages. Stop the war. Israel, be released from Benjamin Netanyahu and far-right fundamentalists that twist your sacred texts"

This statement perpetuates two Israeli propaganda lies: 1) Hamas is able to end the war by releasing hostages, and 2) The genocidal project is the sole responsibility of Netanyahu and Likud, and not the greater Jewish supremacist movement that has controlled Israel since it's inception.

And to be clear, this is Bono's best statement on the subject. You can Google his earlier statements to find more genocide denial and Hasbara propaganda.

He doesn't have to be an activist for every issue, but it is a giant stain on his legacy of activism when he runs cover for an ongoing Holocaust.

Most activists are motivated by humanist ideals, but the issue of Gaza makes it obvious that Bono is not an ethical humanist, so his activism must be motivated by other desires.

"Great activist" Bono has been mostly silent on the ongoing genocide in Gaza for the past 20 months.

The "great activist" has been releasing tepid statements running cover for genocidal Israel as he continues his strong financial ties with the country doing ethnic cleansing in broad daylight.

And when Kamala had the entire DNC establishment behind her, what was stopping her from distancing herself from Biden? What was she afraid of?

Even if Biden came out to publically criticize Kamala, that would have mixed results at best. A large chunk of Kamala's base was still thinking about how Biden's brain malfunctioned at the debate, another chunk was calling him Genocide Joe.

She chose to stick with Biden's legacy instead of developing her own policy platform for the American people, and it directly gave us President Trump.

If someone deserves punishment, celebrating that punishment is basically just hatred.

Yes, I hate the man who spent my tax dollars to bomb children living in tent cities.

I hate the man who failed so spectacularly as a candidate that he gave us president Trump.

I hate Genocide Joe.

When a genocidal war criminal gets a horrific terminal cancer, it is certainly cause for celebration.

Aiding and abetting a genocide is depraved.

Going on national TV and lying about seeing "pictures of 40 beheaded babies" is depraved.

Celebrating when a war criminal gets prostate cancer? Not depraved at all in my opinion. He deserves much worse.

Someone driving or operating machinery high is just as dangerous as someone driving drunk

You have a source or anything to back this idea up?

I delivered pizzas in downtown Seattle for a couple years, and most of my coworkers were constantly stoned. Many weren't just hitting pens or joints, they would hit a fat dab with a torch lighter and then hop in their vehicle and make a delivery.

Both years I worked there, our delivery team got an annual award for having 0 vehicle accidents.

Obviously this is anecdotal, but if you run this same situation back with alcohol instead of weed, I am confident there would have been many accidents.

Yes, the current president is supporting genocide.

You don't hear anyone on the left yelling about it? Maybe you should pay attention, protest movements are ongoing. Protest tactics and media coverage may change in the Trump era, but the anti-genocide movement is still strong in my opinion.

If you want to make some sort of political point then you should come out and say it. Hiding behind sarcasm is off putting when discussing a serious subject like genocide. Its almost like you don't actually care.

Yes, the lie that Biden was pushing for a ceasefire gave him tons of political cover. It was one of his administration's primary Gaza talking points. They used this lie to deflect against valid criticism for months.

Even AOC fell for the lie, saying Harris was working tirelessly for a ceasefire in Gaza

No, Gaza is still being bombed. Children are being intentionally starved. It's still a crisis.

Probably discussing the latest news about how Biden never pressured Israel for ceasefire

It was just another lie to give political cover as he aided and abetted an ongoing genocide.

because they support the existence of Israel they have blood on their hands?

Yes.

If "Zionist" means anything at all, it means support for Israel as it currently exists. This means support for Jewish supremacy, support for bombing campaigns against civilians in multiple nations, and support for a literal ongoing genocide. Anyone who lends support to these evils has blood on their hands.

You can try to move goalposts to say Zionist only means "israel has a right to exist", but this is meaningless in context. I personally believe in a one-state solution where Palestinians have equal rights with Jews; a state where there is no apartheid, ethnic cleansing, nor aggression against neighboring countries. I would be fine with this hypothetical country keeping the name "Israel". Does this make me a Zionist too? If so, the term is meaningless.

I never mentioned their faith, why are you deciding what it is?

You are right about this, I should have been more clear with my words. I was describing a hypothetical Christian Zionist, not your specific neighbor who might be Jewish, Muslim, or atheist. Whatever their faith may be, I condemn their Zionism.

The genocide would not be possible if it wasn't for the financial and rhetorical support of Christian Zionists like your neighbor. They may not directly murder anyone, but they do have blood on their hands.

Christian Zionists vastly outnumber Jewish individuals on this planet, and correspondingly, the majority of donations to pro-genocide groups like AIPAC come from Christian Zionists.

People like your neighbor are directly funding the genocide. Why wouldn't they be culpable?