Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In @ Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In @lemmy.world

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And it could have been sprayed by flying saucers. How is that any less probable?

Because only a trail of infected animals arriving at the market would imply a zoonotic origin.

positive cultures in the wet market are major pieces of evidence to back up the origin.

No, because we cannot determine if those virus cultures arrived to the market on an animal, on the shoe of a lab worker or even by ufo.

The data does not help determine the origin. It only documents the spread.

Ah. Forgot about the 2 ear holes.

I thought maybe like a bowling ball has 3 holes, but a skull has a mouth so even that doesn't work.

I bet your stiltwalking skills are exemplary.

I'd like some independent decoding of these symbols. He could be celebrating his Master of Science in Computer Science.

(Also, the whole Trump argument is irrelevant because they already admitted he was "deported" in error)

It really started in 2016 when US security agencies released a joint report showing Russia was spreading misinformation to help Trump win the election.

Compare russia to the British and consider who is the bigger villain.

Hmm. Long term is a more difficult constraint.

I think short term can be just as effective at damaging Musk.

It's hard to be mobile with deflated tyres.

Even just a dirty windshield and rear camera (on the top of the tailgate) will reduce Tesla share price without running the risk of a prison sentence.

Burning makes the world a more dangerous and polluted place.

There are much more eco friendly ways to vandalise and immobilise.

There were scientists spies that got caught with sample from Canadian labs flying to China.

I think this fact is coincidence and not covid related in the slightest.

Taking a different viewpoint, is general kidnapping now legal in the US? Why is ICE different?

As you are responding to one of my posts I should clarify my position.

They're arguing that it's China's fault and not Trump's. For that to be the case it 'must' be a lab leak.

Zoonotic or lab origin, the outbreak still occurred in China. Fault is only important to reduce further occurrences. Better wet market policies and tighter lab rules can be implemented simultaneously, worldwide without any blame being assigned.

The appalling US response to covid is fully Trumps fault.

The change in the .gov address is designed to compliment the tariffs and anger China.

The reason to highlight the possible lab origin was because original investigations and papers erroneously claimed that a lab origin was not plausible and any discussion about lab origins was censored as being a conspiracy theory.

That censorship is still occurring.

The closest sample [BatCoV RaTG13] is a 96.1% match and was collected 7 years and 1000km away from the wuhan outbreak.

Positive cultures were found in the wet market, but the origin is not confirmed to be zoonotic. Neither bats nor pangolins were being sold at the market. The virus could have arrived there on the shoe of a lab worker.

The team noted that there was no way to establish that the animals were infected with SARS-CoV-2. Even if they were infected, they could have caught the infection from a person who brought the virus to the market,

The problem with conspiracy theories is they're non-falsifiable.

Disagree. Some conspiracies can be proven with evidence. E.g. Watergate.

The virus had to come from somewhere. Finding a zoonotic trail of evidence (or at least a partial one) adds weight to a natural origin. There is lots of opportunity for new evidence to naturally come to light.

On the lab leak side evidence has already been destroyed by the Chinese government. New evidence is unlikely to surface naturally.

So lack of evidence on the zoonotic side gradually moves the balance of probability towards a lab leak.

The general public is unlikely reach certainty about either scenario. I bet the Chinese government has a certain answer.

Here are some additional dots to tie pieces of string to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

WIV viruses were 96% related, and their samples were the closest on record anywhere in the world.

Gain of function research is the cornerstone of molecular biology.

Wow. That's a bold strategy for a debate. Let me try and unpack the logic.

• Gain of function research is the cornerstone of molecular biology.
• Research into deadly viruses is molecular biology.
• Scientists not be doing their job properly if they were not trying to breed the deadliest, most infectious diseases possible.

Well, your strategy could be considered a success. You've convinced me not to argue with you any further.

This nature article has the title

Wuhan lab samples hold no close relatives to virus behind COVID

But you previously claimed

All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature

Which is it?

All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature

This is an exaggeration. There was a strain logged that was 96% similar (BatCoV RaTG13) but this lacked the proteins at the S1/S2 furin cleavage site.

This is NOT a man made virus

But it could be a man influenced virus.

we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE

Vaccine research does not require gain of function studies.

It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature.

In theory. In practice no evidence of these stages has been found.

However it would be feasible to simulate the conditions required in a lab environment.

Controlled funding for gain of function research does not mean all lab work should stop.