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You might find this interesting as it goes into the hypocrisy of the situation.

You'll probably be better off asking this sort of question in one of the Palestine comms, where you have a more nuanced discussion about how Hezbollah was created, their militant actions against Zionism, part of the Lebanese Parliament, and what the flag can mean to different groups; instead of the thought terminating cliché of 'they are considered a terrorist organization by the government and therefore any support of them in supporting terrorism.' Despite the unconditional support these governments have for Israel, who by any definition of terrorism has done far far more magnitudes of such than any resistance organization created as a by product of the violent settler colonialism of Zionism. Plus, western governments have historically brandished any resistance against colonialism as terrorists, including the IRA, Vietcong, FLN, ANC (Nelson Mandala), and many more.

Hezbollah's actions in Syria are definitely unacceptable, their actions against Israel is another matter entirely

All of them have been bombed. Most are no longer even partially operational, and even then that's without the medical supplies also cut off from Israeli's blockade

GDF has a great video on how the Israeli invasion and civil war led to the creation of Hezbollah as a militant resistance

National liberation, national renaissance, the restoration of nationhood to the people, commonwealth: whatever may be the headings used or the new formulas introduced, decolonization is always a violent phenomenon.

• Franz Fanon

Oh, yeah in terms of what expansionist actions Israel can get away with, there's yet to be a limit. Even at the anger of the US State Dept. Yet America still stays committed to supporting Israel despite how often Israel abuses that partnership, since America still benefits off of the destabilization of the region.

It's definitely a death cult. Israel's overzealous expansionist aims are completely unsustainable and will lead to collapse, along with it's committed ally the US (and maybe some other Western countries)

No, AIPAC does not steer the interests of the State Department. They do all benefit, and AIPAC plays a role in that. My point is that Israel is not the one in control of US foreign policy in the region.

I'm not saying you're doing this here, but some people try to paint AIPAC as in control of the US as a way to frame the conspiracy theory that 'Jews control the world,' as the US is the main superpower globally and has much hegemonic control over the globe. Of course, they also intentionally conflate Judaism and Zionism in that process (which I don't see you doing here). The reason I stress that AIPAC is not in control of the US State Department, is both because it sidelines the role of the US in the Zionist project since the 60's, and to dispel that kind of conspiracy theory.

Here, GDF has an in depth analysis on why has and continues to US supports Israel: Part 1 and Part 2. The short answer is money, but the long answer is well worth the watch

I recommend just listening to him yourself and making up your own mind instead of whatever bullshit that dude is saying

https://youtu.be/ozffkhL2kjU&t=1

because that's just how much influence and power AIPAC has.

The US government has far more power than Israel, let alone AIPAC, could ever have. We have the largest military force on the planet and hundreds of military bases globally. No country or group is able to use US weapons without the knowledge and support of the US State Department, the use of US weapons that we sell (directly or indirectly) is always to prop up the interests of the State Department in that region. AIPAC has such well established in-roads because of how the US benefits from Israel, and also ideological via Christian Zionism to a lesser extent (which far outnumber Jewish Zionists).

Many in the US are opposed to what Israel is doing, but those people have very little representation in the Federal government

Yes, when I say US, I'm referring specifically to the administrative government, not the populace. Much of what the US does is directly against the will of the populace, and many things, especially on foreign policy, are kept out of public view. Manufacturing Consent has been a critical aspect to keep much of the foreign policy of the US outside the minds of Americans, and to paint the military actions that are shown in a positive light.

The vast majority of Americans want a weapons embargo on Israel. Even the slim majority of Republicans at this point

AIPAC aligns with the interests of the US State Department, it's not like the US is opposed to what Israel is doing in the region but can't do anything about it because AIPAC money. The interests are either monetary with the MIC, geopolitical as wielding Israel as an arm of US control over the middle east, and/or ideological with Christian Zionism. They are practically completely dependent on US weapons and support on the international stage, the US is in control in this relationship

14 mil is nothing compared to the 14 bil in weapons sales to Israel alone (it was aid, so we the US taxpayers footed the bill, not Israel), let alone the military contracts to develop tech used on civilian populations. The MIC profits immensely just on the testing of new tech on the Palestinians.

Adi Callai does a great job explaining the PA and counter insurgency here in his video about The Gaza Ghetto Uprising, but the entire video and many others on his channel are well worth the watch

I also have a bunch of quoted articles about how the PA works under Israel to crack down on resistance in this comment

Reading Franz Fanon, Adi Callai has a video on him as well, really opened my understanding about the violence of resistance groups. Not that it justifies or trivializes those actions against civilians, that is of course unacceptable, but Fanon gives the context of the oppressed that me and many westerners cannot comprehend. Context about the unrelenting violence of the oppressors, of being against a far militarily superior force set on supremacy, of how armed struggle evolves as the oppression expands in scope and cruelty.

It's a genocide.

Israel props up Hamas because it knows it can get away with the terrorist framing to justify it's escalation of ethnic cleansing and apartheid to western powers. Israel regularly assassinates and imprisons more moderate leadership so that fundamentalist groups gain more prominence. This is the way Israel likes to justifies it's blockade, mowing the lawn, and divide Gaza/West Bank. If you think Hamas is being played by Israel, sure. But it's not like they have any option other than armed resistance. I can critisize their methods all I want, but at the end of the day, I'm not the one living in Gaza, I have no clue what it's really like living in those hellish conditions, I don't really know what I'd be willing to do to try to break free from the Zionist entity that has routinely bombed, imprisoned, tortured loved ones for generations in the largest open air prison on earth.

Hamas is a genuine resistance against Zionism, to say it's a fig-leaf of resistance implies that it is not a genuine opposition but just a front. There is plenty to criticize, but they are a genuine opposition. They have already agreed to give up governance, as long as a unified Palestinian leadership can take place (they've advocated for this as part of the peace deal since Oct 8th) and Hamas changes to a regular army under that leadership.

The PA is a fig-leaf of resistance because they directly work under Israel to violently suppress resistance against the settler colonialism and apartheid in the West Bank. The PA is Counter Insurgency (COIN) wielded by Israel to prolong the Apartheid and continue to delay any semblance of statehood. The PA is viewed by Palestinians nearly just as negatively as Israel because of that. They assist Israel's expansion and crack down on resistance. It's another arm of Israel's Apartheid apparatus

To be fair, all these conservatives use the same dumbass talking points that a minute of investigation can debunk

Gtfo with your white Genocide conspiracy theory. We're talking about an actual ongoing genocide. Where an entire civilian population is being bomed non fucking stop, where no food has entered for months, where every hospital has been bombed, where the entire population, one mostly children and many crippled by the IDF, has been forced to move over and over again under those conditions.

The phenomenon, and the extent to which it is politicised, has been the focus of a number of investigations. The 2003 Report Of The Special Committee Of Inquiry Into Farm Attacks by the SAPS found that most incidents were driven by a desire for material gain and that "very few cases have political overtones."[24]: 445 

There is insufficient data to reliably estimate a murder rate for South African farmers.[13] South African government data indicated between 58 and 74 murders on farms annually in the period 2015–2017; out of an annual murder count of 20,000 total murders in South Africa;[25][26] these figures are broadly consistent with figures collected by the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU), a farmers' union.[27][28] Due to the problems associated with counting the number of South African farmers and farm murders, it is unclear whether farmers are at greater risk of being murdered than other South Africans.[13]

Data released by the South African government in 2018 showed that the number of farm attacks had increased between 2012 and 2018, but that the number of murders on farms had decreased year by year during the period.[28] During the same year farming organisation AgriSA reported on police statistics[29][30][31] which suggested that the murder rate on farms had declined to the lowest level in 20 years,[32] to a third of the level recorded in 1998.[33][34][35

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks

The West Bank has been divided into hundreds of bantustans.

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

• Avi Shlaim: How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

"Its support – and this includes what is even called the ‘peace camp’ in Israel – for a two-state solution is an idea that says that you do not have to directly control every part of historical Palestine in order to establish your dominance and hegemony between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. So, if you can squeeze the Palestinians into small Bantustans and allow them to have a flag and a semblance of a government, there are quite a few Israelis who do not mind at all, so long as this will be the last and final kind of settlement for the Palestine question. Which means no real political rights for the Palestinians, no right of return for the refugees, and keeping all Palestinians in different parts of historical Palestine, at best as second-rate citizens, at worst, as subjects in an apartheid state.

• ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

It's already a one-state reality, an apartheid state.

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