Keeponstalin @ Keeponstalin @lemmy.world

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When you mentioned conservative values of not relying on outside sources, that's what I thought of due to the historical context of individualism that the video goes over. Didn't mean to imply you were personally against those things.

I'm talking about like, not participating in the economy as much. Growing your own food, relying on yourself as much as possible

I'm guessing you're referencing reducing personal consumption? I'm supportive of that, the idea is rooted in anti-capitalist sentiment. Growing your own food is just a fun hobby, I don't think that has any real political leaning. Food Cooperatives with local communities, such as a neighborhood garden, are left-leaning tho.

Conservatives have historically used the rhetoric of "relying on yourself, not others" to justify gutting social services and replacing them with private businesses as a way to accelerate profit seeking.

No, community driven is great. I want to do more myself

I'm replying to the context of the post

Which is Palestinian Americans, where you said

The same people who essentially got Trump into office are now pissed about it? You don't say...

Which is saying Palestinian Americans are the people who essentially got Trump into office

Like I said

Is it understandable to be mad at everyone who didn't vote Democratic? Absolutely. Does it make sense to hyperfocus anger at anyone pro-palestinian and pro-palestinian sentiment? Absolutely not

Palestinian Americans are not the people who "essentially got Trump into office"

Got it, your not here to talk about the actual problem with the campaign. You just want to focus your anger on those people torn most by having their family members and friends in Gaza being blown up with American weapons and support. People who were forced into the position to either vote for the party that was enthusiastically funding the bombing of their loved ones, with the only reason why being that the other guy will bomb them more, or protest vote against the administration that greenlit the death of their loved ones.

No analysis of how the Democratic Campaign lost those votes, no understanding of the position Palestinian Americans were put in. Just anger towards people who got scammed with the glimmer of hope of a ceasefire during an ongoing genocide. One only possible because the Democratic Campaign refused to pivot, despite domestic and international law, despite public sentiment, despite how much that pivot would have helped them win against the opposition.

Got it. Enjoy the view up there inbetween punching down

Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win

Let's say the 1.8% difference was significant. Why did the Democratic Party run away from that voter block?

Is your issue with what the Uncommitted campaign wanted? A weapons embargo to make Israel take the ceasefire? (The one the US put forward as an Israeli proposal) You're issue was with how the campaign was run? Despite them going through every proper channel?

They knew how popular a ceasefire and weapons embargo was. Total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout.

They knew an Arms Embargo was required by US and International Law.

Yet we still saw over a Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars and the campaign continued to alienate voters

They knew it was popular. They knew it was required by international law. They knew how many they risked to lose by continuing to violate the law against public sentiment. Those chose to risk that many votes when campaigning against a fascist. That's not the behavior of a party that wants to win.

Hold. In a week you'll have $7

There were many issues with how the Democratic Party ran their campaign. All of these issues contributed to the voter apathy that caused the Democrats to lose. Were pro-palestinian and anti-genocide a factor? Sure. Were they the main reason for the loss of the Democratic Party? Absolutely not. Their power and influence are completely marginal compared to the power and influence the Democratic Party had with their billions of dollars spent on ineffective messaging. The Democratic Party fucked up if they were trying to win. They ran to the right with Liz Cheney and Immigration, they pushed progressives away. They continued their uniparty approach to foreign policy despite every opportunity not to, at their own expense.

People who spend more time dunking on, discrediting, and demonizing pro-palestinian people, movements, and organizations, than standing with marginalized groups against Fascism, have never genuinely cared about Palestinian emancipation or equal rights for marginalized people.

Is it understandable to be mad at everyone who didn't vote Democratic? Absolutely. Does it make sense to hyperfocus anger at anyone pro-palestinian and pro-palestinian sentiment? Absolutely not.

Solidarity is the only way forward to resist and fight against Fascism. Especially Fascism that has gone global. Palestinian emancipation is the intersection of solidarity. The intersection of fighting against global capitalism and the Fascism growing to keep it in place. We need solidarity with everyone, now more than ever. With our fellow workers, community, marginalized groups, everyone.

That includes Democrats, Independents, and even Republicans. Everyone is suffering as our material conditions continue to degrade and we get squeezed with stagnant low wages and increasingly high costs of living. People want change. It needs to be grassroots. The Democratic Party may not be popular but progressive policies are across the board. We all need to join together in solidarity and build a genuine opposition to Fascism.

Democrats' Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are 'Why Trump Beat Harris'

2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris

We're past dog whistles, they're going full siren.

such as individuals wanting to support themselves without relying on outside sources

You mean we shouldn't have social welfare programs?

No public healthcare, no public housing, no public infrastructure, no public health services, no free public education, no social security, no universal basic income

How are any of these bad?

Knowing Better has an incredibly informative video about the history of meritocracy, rugged individualism, and fiscal responsibility in America. I think you'd find it interesting

I've tagged people I've argued with previously that have repeatedly posted disinformation used to justify Israel's Apartheid and Genocide as Zionist for over a year. I'm talking about those people specifically

I also voted for Harris and advocated for people to voter for her despite the Democrats foreign policy. Some people are genuinely angry at everyone who didn't vote Dem. Others are specifically trying to discredit anyone advocating for Palestinian emancipation

ISIS is what happened when left to its own devices.

Is what you said within the context of the entire middle east. As if the whole population of many different people with different beliefs are all somehow in support of theocratic fundamentalism. That is bigoted and ignorant of the history of the region both before and during colonialist/imperialist intervention.

ISIS is no different than Israel or Dominion Christian Fundamentalism. Nor are any of those reflective of the majority of people they claim to represent.

Restrictions on voting were put in place in many places around the country

In the wake of former President Donald Trump’s lies about a stolen election in 2020, many state legislatures implemented new laws restricting voter accessibility in key parts of the voting process.

Passed in more than half of U.S. states, the laws are often part of sweeping bills that targeted multiple parts of the process, including absentee voting, early voting, and Election Day voting. They mostly come from Republican-led legislatures.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/07/28/mail-in-absentee-ballot-voter-id-purges-drop-box-maps/74527270007/

How much easier can we make it?

Much. Automated voter registration, national holiday to give everyone a time outside of work to vote, national mail-in voting, penalty fee for those who didn't vote (like Australia, something small like $5), change from FPTP to a STAR or Ranked or Approval Voting system, better information sent to each voter about the running candidates, ect

It's interesting that I see this kind of sentiment, shifting the blame onto everyone who's anti-genocide, mostly from people who were also repeatedly defending if not downplaying Israel's genocide. I wonder how your removed comments in the modlogs look.

There were many issues with how the Democratic Party ran their campaign.

Democrats' Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are 'Why Trump Beat Harris'

2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian. While there's been 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated, on top of Netanyahu explicitly stating “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

Absolutely not, that's just straight up Islamophobia.

To be clear, then, ISIS is blowback from the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. And don’t just take my word for it. Listen to David Kilcullen, a former adviser to both Gen. David Petraeus and former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, considered to be one of the world’s leading counter-insurgency experts. “We have to recognize that a lot of the problem is of our own making,” Kilcullen told Channel 4 News in March 2016. “There, undeniably, would be no ISIS if we hadn’t invaded Iraq.”

Blowback: How ISIS Was Created by the U.S. Invasion of Iraq

It's origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US

The Intercept has a left-wing bias but it is quite credible and reliable. You can read more about it on the credible sources discussion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

We need international intervention

The PA is a great example of Counter Insurgency. Adi Callai has a great segment on it here but really the whole video is worth a watch

Fuck. If true the ICJ is cooked

It's unimaginable that a Christian Zionist (a fascist) is able to be the president of the International Court of Justice

The baseline situation is already dire, that's the reality of violent occupation and settlements

I hope they've been preparing for urban warfare against the IOF and PA