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  • What do you do when one of those people target you or your family?

    I defend myself and my family, with deadly force if necessary.
    But as I said in another comment, war isn't self defense. It's defense of the nation, which is something completely different, although nationalists like to pretend it's the same.

  • If you're 19 and had a meaningful conversation with people who experienced WW1 as an adult, those people would have to be at least 113 years old and still mentally fit.
    In my case it was my grandma who hacked off the hand of a home intruder with a fire axe and threw it in a nearby river cause there was no police you could call in 1918.

  • World War 2 didn’t prevent the eradication of the Jews in Europe, though.
    Only a few thousand who didn’t manage to flee survived.
    It also didn’t prevent the destruction of an entire generation of men in the Soviet Union.
    It didn’t bring about lasting peace, nor democracy. At its end, the next dictatorship was already on the rise.
    Oh, and it killed 85 million people, 3% of the global population.

    Any alternative result of non-intervention would have to be really fucking awful to be worse than that.

    Desert Storm

    So the goal of the coalition was that Kuwait is ruled by a dictator the US liked instead of one they didn't like, the Kurds were massacred and millions of them displaced, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled from Kuwait and a budding popular freedom movement in Iraq crushed by Saddam Hussein?

  • Look, I have no good solution for this. No one has, the currently accepted solution is killing millions until the problem disappears behind the problems caused by the war.
    I'm not telling anyone or any country what to do. I'm just saying, I won't ever support or participate in any war, defensive or otherwise.

  • your proposal seems to be really naiv and not taking into account how fucking brutal Putin’s Russia is

    Pacifists are always confronted with this criticism. Every time:
    "This war is different. This war is justified, cause this attacker is truly evil. We need to stop this evil guy by all means necessary, even if it completely destroys the country we're trying to defend and kills an entire generation of its inhabitants."

    I'm not naive, at all. I have no illusions about Russia. I just believe there is no option available that will save Ukraine, and war is always the worst option available. No matter how justified it was in the beginning, in the end all that's left is war.

  • The same thing that lead to the decolonization of almost all countries that were once occupied - it's neither possible nor profitable to rule over a populace that hates you and doesn't identify themselves as subjects to your rule in the long term.

  • What India did against the British – sabotage all Russian-led businesses in Ukraine, and refuse to cooperate with the occupiers.
    It would lead to a great deal of suffering for Ukrainians, but the alternative against which this would have to be measured is the current war – with close to one million dead, several million displaced, and no resolution in sight anywhere.

  • I put human lives over political ideologies, and I'm pretty alone with that.
    I'm a pacifist to the point that I'm opposed to the concept of "self defense" on a national level.
    If someone tries to kill you, by all means defend yourself.
    But this concept doesn't translate to groups of millions of people, killing each other for years over who's in charge.