JustAnotherKay @ JustAnotherKay @lemmy.world

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What distro are you on? I've been out of Linux for like 3 months now but never had issues with my mouse randomly changing behavior in the year or so prior to that. Whether they work or not is up in the air, but random behavior changes seems like a weird practice

Usually with vulnerabilities like this, they're not gonna say anything about it until after they patch it so that people don't go abuse it

Right but it's the specific use of the phrase "manipulating prices."

Manipulating has a negative connotation, it's a buzzword used often in capitalist propaganda. They're not manipulating prices, they're subsidizing the industry so that their people can reap the benefits of their taxes in a tangible way. The same way Americans subsidize farmers, and their EV industry. We just don't subsidize it as much.

You're absolutely right. If you search my account for "good ol boy" or "from Oklahoma" you'll find a comment where I gave a more specific example of this. I didn't give all of these details, but I stealthed basically my entire personality for about a year and half with him while poking and prodding at his beliefs in a "curious" manner until he started getting deeper into those bills on his own and forming his own opinions.

I mentioned in that comment that he became an LGBTQ ally along the way basically by accident. Gentle curiosity about someone's beliefs is a great way to change them

Yeah, just having a microphone in the house with some predefined voice controls which you can go and change gives you all of the benefits of a Google home with none of the Google bullshit.

Especially now with LLMs getting so big, just go set up voice-to-text ollama session with predefined prompts and responses

Something about the horseshoe effect I'm sure. I'm the same way, I make the best of friends with conservative assholes. They care about family, water is thicker than blood, blah blah blah. It's just the policies they vote for that I hate, which is also why I love just chatting about them. Gives me an opportunity to "know thy enemy" and have a chance to change their mind

Yeah, team pineapple might just end up being team kiwi too. That looks great to me

Government providing money to create innovative new tech and make it available at a lowe cost to their constituents

Manipulating the prices to be lower

I just wanted to point out the pervasiveness of capitalist propaganda here. They're not manipulating prices, they're helping their people. It just so happens that our capitalistic systems don't do well when someone helps their neighbor because then we can't abuse them.

Now don't get me wrong though, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you the Chinese government does no wrong. But in just this particular case I think we're picking the wrong battle

I'm gonna check it out but I can almost guarantee that they have different goals and effects which will be useful in different scenarios. Widen your arsenal a bit is all I'm getting at

Listen to Blowback

You might also try putting people on Why Socialism by Albert Einstein by Hobo Johnson (Spotify Link)

Hobo Johnson is an incredible artist, and as far as I can tell a modern day Renaissance man. In this particular piece he does an exceptional job of literally reading the writing to you without making you think he is. He uses commentary, humor, a melody and a chorus to make learning more fun. I was thinking about this while walking just now and I actually might send him a letter of appreciation to follow the best practices of empowering and positively reinforcing that behavior.

"Positive Reinforcement" is an ideal I get a lot of pushback on because people think I'm treating them like an animal. They're right. Because humans are animals and I'm just as trainable as my dog if you do it right

Trying to prune bills...

I don't want to prune them I want to write them :)

Learn more about why revolution...

Reread that sentence, I said not a revolutionary yet. I still see a route for peaceful means, we'll get to box four (I can link that reference if you're curious "boxes of liberty")

And again, I agree with you on all points. I'll be poking my head into a bit of theory in the coming weeks, particularly the book worship and Why Socialism at first, and then into more communist stuff as well.

As for the social democracy issues, that's why I mentioned careful drafting of those bills and shooting them down if need be. It is possible to do those systems right. It has to be cooperative, not coercive and that's something that Einstein addresses in Why Socialism. We're currently in the predatory phase of humanity, so what we understand of human nature and cooperation right now can shine little light on the socialist future. We can't look at history for examples, we need to make them. I want to write bills that look similar to what's happening now, but is new and innovative for the sake of the future. This wraps back into the book-worship thing we discussed as well. They did great thinking 200 years ago about where we'd be right now. We need to do some great thinking today about where we'll be in 200 years.

Kicking a dead horse a little bit but I just wanted to point out how right you are that I'm not actually suggesting socialism. Not yet. I have a rough 1000 year plan to get there in my head that I haven't written down yet. Once I've read some theory I basically wanna write some of my own modern theory like they did. In particular I've been very interested in Why Socialism by Albert Einstein, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

I'm suggesting more social systems more similar to what Norway and many other countries have. Like social security and the VA are already in America. It's not easy to disrupt the whole system overnight and put in a new one, and I'm not a revolutionary yet, just a radicalist. I want more systems like the ones America already has, and I want to base them off their successful compatriots

I've had a lot of negative experiences with some people who are overly theory-oriented (theory is great but you should form opinions on it, not let it dictate them to you) which has definitely pushed me away from reading it. I'm at a point in my life now where I think I could probably start dipping my toes into that without going off the deep end, and this conversation was a particularly good motivator to start doing so. Always more to learn

Yeah, I just replied about the two lines of thought in these chains but this seems like a good convergence point for any readers. Can continue in just that one

I'll have to look into those. My reasoning behind the "magic words" thing is two-part and quite likely outdated: research and anecdote.

Quick side note before the meat: Also, I appreciate that we're keeping two lines of thought going across these two comment chains. Not a skill I see in others often, but one I enjoy having in my friends for moments like this.

The basis comes from my understanding of how propaganda works, but honestly mostly comes from my memory on the classes in school. Granted, I paid a lot more attention in school than a lot of my peers but I haven't done as much research since then as I should/probably you and other more theory-oriented communists have done so I can probably get schooled a bit. Basically, I like to make use of emotion-provoking terms a lot. In person, I do so by trying to befriend people from across the aisle to observe them and listen to them. They'll use the words that matter to them, "egg/gas prices" or "housing crisis" or whatnot. Then, I find ways that their "team" has hurt the things that matter to them, and I'll go and talk to them about those bills. Usually along the lines of "Hey did you see this? It's got these great benefits for us but those rat bastards snuck in x/y/z" and over the course of a few months I've gotten a good handful to start noticing the pattern (this is where the anecdote comes in).

I've convinced a traditional "good ol boy" from Oklahoma (I learned so many slurs from him in the first few months) in the past to argue for communism against one of his classmates just because he didn't like that classmate at the time. After about 2 years of knowing this guy, he was the type of ally who would stand up and knock a motherfucker out if he heard you say something homophobic in passing. And the best part was that I never even tried for that bit, I only ever tried with economic strategies with him and he figured out the humanitarian aspect on his own

I still don't disagree with any of your points. I think in the future I could be more on-the-nose about explaining the purposes of the bills and how to actually go about using maga-friendly magic words without actually supporting maga-friendly "magic words" (hopefully that makes as much sense outside of my head lol).

I'm of the belief that good leadership and psychopathic manipulation are nearly identical, it's all about what you actually influence them to do/feel. As such, I believe there is a way to go about using these words effectively, it just takes a certain type of individual to do so and the right circumstances and education to make sure they can do it right

And I greatly appreciate work like yours. I believe we need to do both. There are people who will be easier to convince if you use those magic words because that's what works for them. There are others who will be easier to convince if use more maga-friendly terms. The important part is that bills like that need to be introduced in the correct way.

It is possible, as an American citizen to draft and propose a bill to your senator with a petition to your fellow man. We need to go convince people, in whichever works for that particular individual, to sign these petitions for bills that will help them. We need to convince them to vote for them in whatever ways will get them to do so. But we need to draft those bills carefully and ensure they get shot down if they get twisted in the chambers.

I don't disagree with you, in general. This is why I like the two-pronged focus of my plan. I don't wanna just go and propose bills and convince people to be socialists. I've been going around spreading the word of food co-ops and non-profit/expense-sharing apartments (but not the same way that section 8 and whatnot work). You can feel free to poke through my account a bit to see some of that.

If you still find an issue with this line of thinking definitely let me know so I can try to adjust the strategy

I see your concerns, I really do. Poke around my account and you'll see the other steps that need to come along with these bills which I've suggested around a bit. Basically, I've been asking people and trying to spread some influence to get some real socialism going at the same time