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Headline is wrong. The article makes it clear that it’s in exchange for prisoners in Israeli jails PLUS a truce.

Last week there was an effort from the Qatari brothers to release the enemy captives from women and children, in return for the release of 200 Palestinian children and 75 women detained by the enemy" Abu Ubaida, the spokesman for the armed wing of Hamas, al-Qassam Brigades, said in an audio recording posted on the group's Telegram channel.

"The truce should include a complete ceasefire and allow aid and humanitarian relief everywhere in the Gaza Strip," he said.

It's the literal pre mandatory Palestine border.

Please show me that map. Otherwise I have things to do and am not going to continue this conversation.

We’re not going to agree and I have other things I need to do today. We’ll have to respectfully disagree that unnatural deaths alone constitute genocide.

1. Intent, which is what I’ve been trying to explain. “Kill the buffalo, kill the Indian”.
2. Population has dramatically increased since ‘67. Hard to argue that it’s “destr[uction]” when the population is markedly higher. Compare that to the plains Indians after the deliberate destruction of the buffalo.

Denial of national aspirations is not the same thing as genocide, and to conflate the two does the Palestinian cause no favors.

I’m not accusing of anything. You’re claiming that borders exist that never existed. Put up or shut up.

Please show a map that shows your point.

That’s like saying if the US collapsed that the existence of former states of Washington, Oregon and half of a state called California proves that there is now a country called “Washoregfornia” even though nobody ever called themselves Washoregfornians when the US existed and nobody governed themselves according to those borders. You’re inverting your logic.

“Just subdivided into three states”.

Thank you. Like I said, those administrative borders never existed. It’s a British colonial construct.

It’s not genocide, but OK, buddy.

No, I wouldn’t be. But thanks for making things up.

There was no “literal pre mandatory Palestine border.” Under the Ottomans it was multiple sanjaks under the vilayet of Damascus.

What you call “from the river to the sea” did not exist as an administrative boundary until Winston Churchill created it in 1922 by splitting Mandate Palestine into Transjordan and a new, smaller Mandate Palestine.

Does nobody study history before spouting off?

Who said anything about antisemitic? The fact that multiple people replied to me about antisemitism is telling that YOU think it is antisemitic and need to defend yourself.

“Progressives” will elect Donald “Muslim Ban” Trump then. Morons.

I use a Meross. Works very well with HomeKit.

MyQ was always a piece of garbage for me. Damn thing would error out and become non responsive after 5-10 openings, and would require a reboot. Could never figure out the root issue. Tech support was worthless. My hunch is that it doesn’t play nicely with Unifi equipment, or I’m getting interference from industrial sites nearby.

Wrong.

From the Geneva Convention:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

“With intent to destroy” is the key part here. Throwing around “genocide” using a dictionary term is meaningless. Genocide is a legal concept. Use the legal definition.

To be 100% clear, I am now quoting from the UN:

The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:

A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such" […]

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.

Source: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention

…not genocide? Go, read the legal definition of genocide, and show me the mens rea element. Compare it to the Armenian genocide. Compare it to the Holocaust. Compare it to what China is doing to the Uyghurs. People screaming genocide only make themselves look foolish right now.

War crimes? Possibly. Genocide?! No.

lol. “Genocidal”. I’ve been loving reading all the international law analysis from people who couldn’t even get into law school.

Where did I conflate Jews and Israel? Where did I say anything about antisemitism?

Nice strawman, bro.

I never said anything was antisemitic. I said that what you are saying is “Death to Israel”. And it seems that you agree.

Every other time their Arab neighbors went to war for the Palestinians it did not work out well for them

Not just didn’t work out for them. The PLO turned around and tried to overthrow two of the neighboring countries: Jordan in 1970 and Lebanon in the 80s.