InformalTrifle @ InformalTrifle @lemmy.world

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Unfortunately a good number in Palestine do

If that’s what you want to take from what I said then that’s fine, but no, I’m not racist or genocidal.

Islam is evil. Not all its followers are. And if people weren’t so scared of being labeled racist we might have an honest discussion about its problems. Hamas needs to be fought just like Nazis did. Naziism needed to be destroyed, not Germans, despite Nazi ideas proliferating through Germany.

There is no historical context worth discussing. Hamas wants to kill Jews and always will.

Listen to Sam Harris. Or continue to defend jihad. Whatever

It’s not racist. Religionist maybe. And I stand by it. Islam is the biggest threat we face today. You don’t understand that.

I cannot say if I grew up there that I wouldn’t have the same beliefs, brainwashing children is extremely effective. But those ideas, the religion, need to be acknowledged and challenged in any response. Not just stick our heads in the sand and pretend they’re logical beliefs and that they will spontaneously want peace despite them repeatedly telling you they don’t.

I don’t think you actually understand jihadism. You think it’s a reaction to other circumstances and some fringe extremists rather than the actual goal and being widely supported. You can’t comprehend that goal so try to frame it in logic. But there is no logic involved in the beliefs of Islam and jihadism.

Yes Ireland deserves independence. Yes Palestine deserves independence. But that would not stop them trying to eradicate non Muslims.

I’m leaving this thread now but I can only suggest you listen to some Sam Harris

So you’re still defending jihadists and their supporters

It’s a tragedy whats happening to civilians in Palestine. Hamas needs to be destroyed and I hope Israel can minimise further collateral damage. (Though it must be exceptionally difficult with the tactics Hamas use)

But I hold the jihadist organisation Hamas (that still has widespread support) fully responsible for this tragedy, as I would hold the Nazis responsible for German civilian deaths.

Was their stated goal to wipe the U.K. off the face of the planet so that they could go to paradise?

ISF reported 305 shooting attacks committed in or emanating from the West Bank in 2022, more than triple the attacks (91) recorded in 2021. In press reports, Israeli officials described these incidents as terror attacks

Hamas may not be based in the West Bank but other Islamic terrorists certainly are, and Hamas is certainly widely supported there.

Where do you live? How would you treat neighbouring countries that rocket attacked you constantly and wanted you wiped out in the name of their religion?

If anything Israel showed significant restraint prior to October

Who said anything about Ireland. The post is about Hamas

You’re in a lemmy bubble then

You’re a terrorist sympathiser. They are not fighting in resistance because they’re oppressed. They’re trying to wipe out Israel because their holy book tells them to.

It must be difficult to stay in control with the tactics Hamas use, not caring at all about civilian lives, using human shields, suicide bombs, fighting from civilians buildings etc.

The IDF probably knows far more about that than we do

I think it’s up to the people from Northern Ireland

Never heard of it

I stand corrected. Makes sense if you’re close to wiping them out. Otherwise you go back to the previous situation.

Do you have evidence for a genocide in the West Bank? Thought not.

Nobody fights back? You’re having a laugh. They attack Israel constantly. That’s their faith and their purpose to get to paradise. Stop ignoring what they actually say

The “genocide” would halt immediately if Hamas returned the hostages and surrendered themselves. Hamas has zero interest in that, and the Palestinians have zero interest in that.

There was an effective ceasefire before 7th October (apart from the random rockets fired Israel’s way) that was broken pretty badly. Making a ceasefire deal with terrorists that attacked you and took hostages and will never stop attacking you makes no sense.

It’s pointless arguing this on Lemmy. Everyone here is convinced that the Islamic jihadists are oppressed and just want peace despite what they actually say and do.

Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. But for good people to do bad things takes religion. Or something along those lines