Hypx @ Hypx @kbin.social

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How did you react to all green tech in the past? With wind, solar, and even the BEV to some extent, you listen to the supporters and not the detractors. Only after the technology got widely deployed could you listen to real criticisms, mostly from real-world studies or analyses. None of the imagined problems from the detractors ever came true. Hydrogen cars will be the same.

And every green tech got accused of being a secretly dirty technology. It's total BS. Why do you even believe the story that hydrogen vehicles are worse than petrol cars? It is utter gibberish and was the same story as BEVs being accused of being worse than petrol cars.

FCEVs are happening now. People should not fall for the marketing BS that its still far off in the future.

That's a local supply issue. It reminds me of the polysilicon shortage of late-2000s. Plenty of people came out of the woodwork to proclaim the solar panel as a dead technology. But the physics of the idea, namely that it's all made from sand, meant that cost will eventually plunge and it did.

Hydrogen is the same story. Investment has recently skyrocketed across the world. No one except a few BEV fanatics are still opposed to hydrogen. That is why guys like you are stuck in the past. You are repeating the same story as what people said about wind, solar, even the BEV itself in its early days. It is guaranteed to be wrong.

You can repair ICE cars. Unless you bought some complex luxury car, ICE cars are very cheap to maintain.

FCEVs will have something similar. They will be cheap to build and maintain. They do not have a giant battery to replace.

Actually no. It has thousands of dollars of raw materials in it. That's why BEVs can't go behind a certain cost floor. But FCEVs can.

A fuckload of BEV advocates work for BEV companies. They never mention their own conflicts of interest.

Impartial researchers do not oppose hydrogen. Attacking the few that take money is just an ad hominem.

Then stop believing his lies. You still worship the BEV and cannot imagine an alternative. That's the problem here.

The same story was said about wind, solar, even BEVs too. They all had to be expensive before they hit mass production.

But the advantage of FCEVs is that they have very low resource requirements. The cost floor is much below that of BEVs. Eventually, they will be as cheap as ICE cars or less, and the fuel will be cheaper than gasoline.

The efficiency argument is hugely exaggerated and is mostly coming from BEV companies. Even if you believe it, you should be aware that photovoltaics are terribly inefficient. But it doesn't matter because solar is made from sand and sunlight is everywhere. Hydrogen has the same idea going for it. Made from water and renewable energy, it too will be extremely cheap.

Really low energy density. Not feasible for a long time.

Not only are you wrong, it's you guys that are just repeating one debunked myth after another. There's nothing being said hear that I haven't heard already.

This is why you guys are stuck in 2015. It's just a bunch of obsolete drivel that originated from Tesla and other BEV companies.

If you are really politically left, then why not starting acting politically left? No one on the left opposes hydrogen anymore. This is quickly turning into an extreme political position. Possibly, a far-right position in the near-future.

If you don't support Elmo, then stop repeating his lies. It's like everyone here hasn't realized that Elmo has been lying for well over a decade. It didn't just begin with Twitter.

In the end, FCEVs are also EVs. They are also zero emissions cars. You cannot come up with a coherent reason to oppose them. It is the same style of argument as those that opposed wind, solar, even BEVs too. So there's only one reason conclusion, and that is to support FCEVs like any other green technology.

Physics state that both are types of EVs. Both fuel cells and batteries are electrochemical systems. In fact, you can literally call a hydrogen fuel cell a hydrogen-air battery.

So whoever comes out and say "but muh physics" has no idea what he's talking about. If you really knew physics, you'd know that there's holding back FCEVs in physics.

That's gibberish. All technology improves. And with hydrogen, you already start off with the highest possible energy density. And fuel cells are electrochemical systems, just like batteries. Saying batteries can improve also imply fuel cells can improve.

Considering FCEVs are also EVs, PHEVs don't anything. It is the absolute dependency on giant batteries that make BEVs doomed. PHEVs are fine for a transitional technology too.

It's the same argument with electricity. It is only green as its source. People are just repeating the arguments made against all EVs.

FCEVs merely happen to be the future of the automobile. There is nothing beyond that. It's BEV fanatics that get upset when someone suggests they're supporting a transitional technology.

You need grams of platinum. It is not a big deal. And not all fuel cells need platinum.

All EVs are as green as their energy source.

Toyota and Honda have not swapped to a 100% BEV fleet. It is currently what is in vogue, and everyone invest in it. But like the diesel car, that does not imply it is the future. In reality, BEVs are still a niche product and current demand is entirely created via subsidies. The current wave of BEV excitement will not last beyond the end of those huge subsidies.

Most criticisms of hydrogen cars are just marketing from competing technologies. You shouldn't believe them. In reality, hydrogen cars will be the cheaper type of EV, and the fuel will plunge in cost. It is the same story as what happened to wind and solar.

Just so we're clear, you can charge an FCEV. Either via PHEV setup or some home electrolysis system. It is also an EV after all. It is definitely analogous to two different PV technologies.

Since it basically runs on water, or least something made from water, it is going to be the much cheaper idea in the long run. So it seems unavoidable that at some point, the FCEV will win.

BEV owners will eventually end up being the next diesel car owners. Sure, you can say "I did my part for the climate," but you won't worship your old car.

Then you have basically no one that actually support your particular position. Except this one guy who is a Fascist. Not exactly great company.

The problem is that you have almost no one left on the left that actually supports your position. Not many scientists either.

"Everyone on the left is brainwashed by the oil companies. But me, supporting a position only held by one Fascist, is definitely not the crazy one here."

Plenty of governments in Europe are investing in hydrogen.

It will be soon. It's already cheaper than similarly long-ranged BEVs. It is simply in an earlier state of adoption.

Given that you think the world will end, then there's nothing that will be productive.