He Moderated the R/Ukraine Subreddit. Now, He's Being Called to Fight.
Yeah this is a tread about the UK government trying to sell a crap idea.
So yes the only opinion of any merit at all. Is what the military leaders of the UK armed forces think.
Other nations have different military structures. Different concentration of assets. The UK back in the 1960s ended conscription. And decided instead to invest in technology. And personal with the training to operate that technology.
Rather then using ill motivated short time troops as little more then cannon fodder.
Conscription is always a bad idea. Because once you have gotten to that stage. You are basically deciding to throw bodies at the problem. As russia is doing.
For a nation lacking funding. Sure it can be the only option. And for a nation at genuine risk of ground war. It can be needed. But its a bad idea. Because when you get to that stage. Other ideas and options before hand would always have been better.
Conscription is by its very nature using citizens of your own nation to absorb attacks. As in no situation can conscripts show the professional training of people who choose to invest in a military career. Hence way pretty much every nation with funding. Even the few that keep the option active like the US. Has military leaders who reject it. And just mouthy politicians and older voters who think it is a positive solution.
Edit: related but a little of topic. Another reason most nato nations and the UK reject conscription as anything but an all has failed strategy. Is MAD. As much as Russia threatens and brags. Russia knows full well attacking a NATO member nation will not result in a ground war. Russia simply dose not have the air or naval superiority over NATO nations as a whole. The only threat they have that has any chance of working in an all out war. Is nukes. And while russia may be overconfident in the effectivness of their own stock of nukes. They know full well NATOs are well maintained. So using one on a nato nation. Is the end of Russias ability to use them as a threat.
There is a reason Russia has avoided landing on NATO land. Even after they forced Finland and sweeden to join. Mutually Assured Distruction may be crap when dealing with Extremist nations using terrorism. But Russia still has enough sanity to recognise its limits.
As we are talking about the UK. Where it is UK military leaders and technological investment that the leaders will be training for.
What any other nation thinks or dose is pretty worthless. As is some politicians trying to win votes from boomers. Or myself.
Only opinion that matters really is the UK military leadership. Who make it clear they do not want this.
The UK military leadership disagree with you. IE the experts who need to manage the system.
All it dose is create ill motivated unskilled labour. At a time were fighting a wat has the least need for that type of labour.
Seriosly
Why would anyone expect the states to be better. You have a reputation for cruelty towards your own citizens.
Honestly the states is not the part of the world most brits expect anyone to aspire towards. Its who we warn people to avoid.
Cameron set up a service where you can vollenteer to do just this. Its been around for years. And like any work experience training. You end up doing the unskilled stuff. Cos of course you will never gain any experience that requires qualification. At best you get to watch.
And even before Cameron charities offered and offer these services and many more.
This is literally just making a volentry thing mandatory. Nothing else at all.
Sure but you can already do it.
All this is is a requirement to do it.
The sceme is mandatory. Military service is an option. But you must spend 25 days doing one of the options.
Of course the options are NHS Policing or mental health. All things tories have screwed.
So using teens as slave labour to look like they are fixing their own screw ups. Would be a fair description.
Worse. He is using people who would be very unlikely to vote tory. The youth.
As slaves to convince old folks who have lost faith to vote tory.
Just like he is fucking the disabled its another culture war attacking those who refuse to support him.
We funked up the NHS Policing and local services. By cutting funding to the bone. While refusing to invest.
But thats OK. We will use 25 days of teenage slavery to fix a bit of it.
Or you can learn to kill people ready for our next oil war.
Of course we will concentrate on selling how beneficial it is to the youth. While helpfully forgetting to mention. You can all already choose to do this shit. All we are adding is a mandatory requirement. So slavery to achive our own goals. And make some old folks vote for us.
Basically another culture war using folks who won't vote tory to convince folks with nothing to lose to vote tory.
Dose any one have a list.
There seems to have been an unusual number of attempted illegal actions from the tories since they gained power.
It seems we are constantly hearing about odd moves or attempts to work around the system. And them fighting court cases that proove what everyone thought. They are breaking the law.
Add there inventive attempt to pass laws they have already failed. And refusal of benifits constantly voting rejected as against their own created rules.
It seems worth considering their record while the still claim to be a party of law and order. Those laws only apply to folks not themselves.
As gnome shell and ubuntu. Have nio such good faith agreement.
And thisbis just a process ubuntu has to reduce its own work load.
Who really cares. Ubuntu can include and reject any software they choose.
Ubuntu users can also add and take what ever risks they choose.
And gnomeshell can choose to change there releases and software as they choose.
This os the cost of free as in speach software. If you are need 3rd parties to make your software work. You have to accept they have the same freedoms you insist on.
Personally i prefer that and the option to use older versions if thing go wrong. Then a privrate for profit ccompany making the same choices with less freedom for me.
I'm am going to correct myself a little.
I said not voting favours the incumbent. Currently that is less true then in the past. The principle has always been. People in your area will be more likely to vote for consistency. It is just a human nature thing. We avoid change. So the MP you have now is more likely to win. Unless many people are motivated to change.
This election is pretty unique. Even compared to 97. We have many many voters thinking like you. But outright hate in many tory traditional safe seats. Add the huge change in many borders.
Things are a little less predicable then ever. I'm still not a fan of the don't vote idea. But honestly have less data to challenge the logic.
Nods.
Wish green was a winnable option in my area.
They are far from great. But at least are a real change in Ideas.
Nope. Fptp is fucking crap.
But you are correct. 2 evils.
But beyond genocide. One is planing to use culture war blaming and punishing disabled to fund tax cuts.
While the other just refuses to invest in a nation where voters are scared of spending.
There is a clear lesser of the evils. And refusing to vote also favours the incubant party.
I live in a constituency where labour is not the most likely way to remove a tory mp. So other bad options exist. At least one that a.so hates fptp in my area.
But unfortunately you are correct. Our fake democracy forces you to look at the history of your area. And avoid voting for the greater of multiple evils.
Sorry but that is a little unrealistic atm. We on the left just do not have the support for such a protest to be effective.
Even a weak labour win. Where left of centre mps could slow government function. We don't have enough MPs with a rebellious streak to limit much. And no other opposition likely to have the numbers to help.
If we had a significant number of green MPs. Maybe. But honestly there are few places where urrent data dose not mean. Voting green is going to help tories rather then create a green mp.
Yeah we all know its significance in the US. Because US movies and media are a huge export.
It is just not considered significant when making any plans.
In the UK the whole US UK war was the act of a mad King. Our parliment at the time refused to fund it. And the war bankrupted the royal family. Sorta leading to our current odd funding. Where parliment profits from royal land. And funds the monarch in exchange.
So the events have more historical significance then average brits recognise. But we don't tend to treat the date any differently beyond the odd. "Oh the yanks will be on holiday."
Yeah not really. The day means nothing to the average brit. No event that happened then is important enough to raise a single eye brow. As another poster pointed out much of the world celebrated something similar on some day in a year.
Yeah you may have heard the term. Parliment is sovereign. It literally means there is never a true lame duck.
While parliment is dissolved. And technically the MPs are no longer MPs. Government can act but only in a clear emergency. The act they can always make. Is to request the king to make temporary laws.
Its never happened since the restoration. But technically the point of our constitutional Monarchy is the king passes power back and forth when parliment is opened and devolved.
In the event russia attacked or something else between 30th May and the end of the election count. Likely 5th or 6th. Sunak can operate government as normal. But would ask the king to enact any change in law. And parliment would be opened soonest once everything is sorted.
Wow real optomism. I thought that was extinct on the left.
As the other commenter said. There is a reason drafting is normally done at a young age. Once you get to late 30s. It takes effort to stay fit. Most folks having done a desk job in that time. Are not suitable for the sort of roles conscription is generally used for.
Conscripts tend to need to be trained in ways older minds are less willing to accept. Amd tend to still be used for tasks that are more physically demanding then professional soldiers.
Now back in ww2 the UK did draft older people. So it is lass rare in Ukraine like situations. But it dose show how rare such situations have been in the last 40 years or so. That many of us have grown up never seeing a draft get so desperate for people.
Unlike some posters on lemmy claim. It is not really a sign that NATO nations will look to conscription yet. Or at least those that do not do so in genral will not need to move to doing so. The simple,e fact that nato nations are drawing from well over 900m people to russias 145m. Means it will take a major change before Russia is able to form a ground war within nato territory. Even the new ones of sweeden and Finland. Russia would need some seriose funding and rebalencing to be able to threaten the professional forces in a way that would look for conscription.
But this dose paint a clear picture of how bad things actually are in the Ukraine.