HopeOfTheGunblade @ HopeOfTheGunblade @kbin.social

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They'll still have shitty TV channels to tell them who to be angry at.

It's not his financial statement they want, it's the bond company's.

Credit where it's due, dude had moves.

Sorry, can you back the part of that about Biden? Because it's a pretty common trope of how unaware white people will say someone "seems so articulate", I think it showed up in the first episode of The Boondocks?

What would you say was the least violent revolution that succeeded, by whatever metrics you use for those words?

Hi. I voted uncommitted. In the primary. Also, I advocated for others to vote uncommitted, in the primary. There, it's a useful signal. In the general, it's handing the country to people gleefully proclaiming they want to round you up, and who openly and blatantly showed their disregard for your continued existence by letting a plague run rampant on the basis that cities vote blue and are more crowded so would suffer more death.

I'm not sure why you think that letting the Republicans win by voting third party does anything but make things much, much worse, than not letting them win. First past the post elections are in part a keynesian beauty contest, and if you can't recognize how that is the case, I don't think you have a lot to correct me on.

Biden being less terrible doesn’t make him a force for good.

No, but him being adequate to not dragging leftists out behind the barn and having them shot is a necessary basis for any sort of improvement.

What do you think Revolution is? Bombing everyone?

Bombing everyone seems inefficient to the goal, which in a revolution is overthrow of the existing order. I'm not aware of any peaceful overthrowings of existing orders, can you point to some?

Wasn't familiar with that term, looked it up. That looks like reform within the system rather than seizing the state. To do "through industrial unionism, seeks to unionize workers according to industry and advance their demands through strikes, with the eventual goal of gaining control over the means of production and the economy at large through social ownership," you need to not get shot when you strike. Trump would absolutely hire the Pinkertons of old to kill strikers and union leaders. Biden has been an outlier in how good he has been for unions, and capital is trying to use the captured supreme Court against him in that. So, I'd prefer that he stay in office and keep doing that, while yes, absolutely, 1000%, organize and do strikes and generally fight harder from within the system than just casting a vote every four years. Just don't flip the table or encourage others to rather than do these things, is my perspective, and that's what revolution means in my understanding.

How would you do so nonviolently? Would you get your people into office? That seems like the nonviolent way to seize control of the state, but if there is another, I'm interested to hear it.

I'd be interested in reading more about this, if you have any pointers. It seems to me to be an interesting semantic question as to whether other bubbles of spacetime beyond our own, running at a different temporal rate (from the outside? By what universal clock?) count as part of our universe or not. From the description you gave, it seems like maybe even FTL wouldn't be enough to reach them.

Name names, please. I'm not aware of any trans women setting multiple world records, and if it's happening, I'd like to know.

I don't think that turning away potential allies is how you get that. Queer people as a whole are maybe 20% of the population, on a broad read. Assuming that all queer people are on board and aren't "drop the T" types, that's still far from enough to swing a majority vote. Queer people need cishet allies, and while I do think, "a queer person was mean to me so let them burn," is a mark of someone who has some growth to do, such people exist and every one who could have been a weak ally and instead gets sucked down the alt right pipeline to become a strong enemy makes matters that much harder. I fucking hate that optics is a factor in whether people get fed into woodchippers, but it is, and we ignore that at our peril. Does being harsh at people do anything for the cause but make you feel better? Because of so you'd be better off to go play a violent game for a while, and engage with people in a way that doesn't give them justification to go listen to Matt Walsh and Chaya Raichik later once you cool off.

Seems to be working for the Nordic countries. I genuinely think that if you try a revolution in America, what you get will not be socialism. If you're lucky, you will fail and get violent government rerribution. If you aren't lucky, you'll get full on authoritarianism, with mass bloody purges of undesirables of all shades. The rate of revolutions leading to good outcomes sucks. Mostly you get various flavors of dictatorships. Often with state sponsored mass murder.

Revolutions, on average, make things worse. Seriously, the outcome of the median revolution is pretty terrible. Things need to be incredibly bad before it's an improvement in expected value to do a revolution, instead of trying to improve the existing system.

Given that we can see the CMB it seems unlikely that the universe is older elsewhere.

I agree that that's fucked. Giving the red team power means that number gets bigger, faster, and that no improvement whatsoever takes place. Perfection isn't on my political menu, do you have a suggestion that isn't accelerationism or not influencing the situation at all? Because "vote third party" sure doesn't seem to have "sent a message" in any way I can recognize. It just enshittified the country faster. Looks like harm reduction is the order of the day in politics while encouraging improvement via other means.

Trump and the rest of the red team are loudly and proudly proclaiming that they want to and moving that way in territory they control.

Do you have a suggestion as to what I should do that isn't accelerationism or removing any power I have to influence outcomes by turning to fantasy as a solution?

Well, I voted Biden in 2020, and here we are four years later and I ain't in a camp yet. Kind of seems like that's an inaccurate prediction, and you would be served by considering the chain of reasoning that led you to this pass, to see what improvements might be made in your process to enable better predictions in the future. Not every change is an improvement, but every improvement is a change.

Well, if my options to get dragged to the camps is either right now or in a few election cycles, I'm on the side of it taking longer.