HopFlop @ HopFlop @discuss.tchncs.de

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No, you tried shifting the discussion and when I told you what was being discussed, you simply said you're uninterested.

First, you're taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.

No I'm not. I never claimed anyone was in danger.

Second, it's laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into "this would kill all U.S. spies."

Yeah it is and nobody did. I certainly didnt.

I don't care about impossible thought experiments

Then don't comment on one and don't waste my time telling me that my answer to a morality question is "ridicolous" because it didn't happen.

Yeah but the backdoor does not work on Arch (as far as we currently know). It relies on a linking of libraries that Arch doesnt do by default.

First, you're taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.

No, but the statement we are discussing assumes this from the start: "I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life."

Second, it's laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into "this would kill all U.S. spies."

Yeah but we're discussing the case where it would kill all spies. My statement was in response to (I repeat): "I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life."

Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for

Yeah but this is not "dying for your country" (it wouldnt benefit the USA in any way) but rather "dying for a single civilian of an adversary country". They didnt sign up for that.

Basically, one of the contributors that had been contributing for quite some time (and was therefore partly trusted), commited a somewhat hidden backdoor. I doubt it had any effect (as it was discovered now before being pushed to any stable distro and the exploit itself didnt work on Arch) bjt we'll have to wait for the effect to be analyzed.

If you are using Arch, you should run pacman right now to downgrade.

No, just update. It's already fixed. Thats the point of rolling release.

In this case yeah

I would not "happily" sacrifice anyone's life. How about that? Anyway, Russia obviously didnt take the threat seriously and that was the actual issue.

But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore, thus less "protection" overall.

How about not sacrificing anyone's life?

Thanks :)

On a seperate note, brain size does not relate to intelligence.

I would happily sacrifice the life of every single [...] And you are a bad person if you wouldn't.

...says everything one needs to know about your morals and your attempts at manipulation.

If Russias response was to call the warning a "provocation by the USA" then yes. They just dismissed it and this is what they got.

I'd rather drive 130 km/h than 80 mph...

We should focus on the circumference-to-height ratio.

Nah that doesnt count. It cant be just one grain thick (from the side), it has to be roughly cone-shaped.

All I can say is:

Wine Is Not an Emulator.

I do think it shoukd be left up to (potentially big) companies; however, we should put restrictions on e.g. ink cartrige compatibility, just like what the EU is trying for smartphones and messagin right now.

Thats good to hear but its hard to switch away from an established product. For example, there is Signal, which has all of WhatsApps features and is completely privacy-oriented but everyone would have to switch at once for it to work...

You use iMessage, but that is an Apple-specific thing and can't even be used on Android phones. Also, Apple does the whole "green bubble blue bubble" thing you got going on and deliberately doesnt support RCS (which would bring stuff like image support to SMS). So we need a messenger than can be used on both iPhones and Android phones. WhatsApp was initially the most popular and thats why it still is.

Seems that immortality thing is working though. At least since the first time he was caught un 1866.