Historical_General @ Historical_General @lemmy.world

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When I say easily avoided I mean that I literally don't see them very often. Whereas new atheism seems to be seeping into the feed wierdly often.

This reminds of when people go to toxic subs on the old place, to shit on fat people or something. The end result of these low iq hateful subs is that you grow a base of angry, preaching anti intellectuals who think they're right and who are ripe for a right wıng bot army and bad actors to brainwash them, and ultimately afflict cancer on the space.

That said, I am on all too often.

Japanese women are not particularly free compared to similar wealthy nations.

But you are forgetting history - those countries had their own brands of capitalist expansionism within living memory. They both had periods of time pre-World Wars where they homogenised themselves: Germany formed a nation state out of smaller states and kingdoms, while Japan did similarly, as well as forcefully assimilating it's Ainu ethnic minority groups. As a result of this, a powerful centralised state was able to direct the development of the economy as well as their respective society. Initially fascists exploited this. Then as the US, Soviets and other Western powers repudiated them, they were made to adopt the liberal capitalist model that they'd been on the path towards pre-World Wars.

The Middle East on the other hand has been under the boot of european puppet masters. Iran's democratic PM was couped (1953), in Afghanistan the Taliban was funded by the US against a secular progressive leader, and in Saudi Arabia, their royal family were puppets for Europeans (UK) and for decades now, the US.

It's more easily avoided.

But I am seeing 2010 style cringe new atheism though. It's never a good sign when those people are around, they were the precursors to the cancer we see on the big platforms today.

Pathetic of you to hide behind concern for women's rights when you don't acknowledge that we, the wealthiest countries have routinely worked against democratic, secular and relatively feminist and progressive elements in the Muslim world, as I say above and to which I referred to as anti-intellectualism.

Did we bring feminism and human rights to Libya when we democratized it with bombs and left it with slave markets for Africans? Maybe people like you and I should speak with some humility?

The UK for e.g. has less religion than ever, and it's been turned into a shithole in many respects - Victorian diseases are back, a third of children lack food and they've had a decade of lost economic growth.

If you think your brand of atheism goes hand in hand with progress, you are equally as foolish as those people that thought liberal capitalism ensured democratic progress.

If you're left wing, it's a pretty good space. I don't see left wingers complaining to be honest.

The only evidenced complaint about censorship of criticism of China, was full of misleading bs that deserved to be removed to keep the community free of cancer. I'd have made an account there first, but they weren't allowing registrations at the time Sync for Lemmy went down which is when and why I came here.

I see little of either.

How did you spell it before? Btw, is there a comment history function on Lemm like there is on Twitter Blue?

I saw some new-atheist style anti-mulsim racist trans women online the other day.

Given how men are more likely to be openly racist online, I've been waiting for the honeymoon phase of liberal type trans activism to taper off, much like how you can find many right wing LGB people online today, but as this post suggests, they're mostly liberal for now.

I'm not sure what pleasure you get from telling e.g. women that magic isn't real, that astrology is bs, and that crystals are only pretty and don't have special powers. If I were such an unfulfilled person, I'd resolve to get another hobby. Possibly environmentalism or something.

And I'm talking about people that are specifically chauvistic for a hobby and anti-intellectual. I'm not talking about the average normal person that dislikes Catholics or some other misogynistic elements of religion.

People like us in the wealthiest nations have no right to criticise Muslims as a group (if that's even legitimate criticism, it isn't) when we prop up the worst Muslims (Saudis and other Arabs) and have always worked against democratic, secular and relatively feminist and progressive elements in the Muslim world.

Your snide anti-intellectual new atheism is a cover for general snobbery and possibly a barely concealed racialised Islamophobia.

Just very, very rightist.

Faith is apparently on the rise (~84% of the world), and whether you like them or not they have to be worked with. Their culture and ideas will inform society whether we like it or not. By blinkering ourselves you'll allow the worst opportunists to take advantage of both them and your ignorant selves.

It's back for me. By the way, I've seen the criticism of lemmy.ml - the post that was criticising them had examples of 'censorship'. The censored posts were imo:

the actual posts in question were low information, misleading and in many cases also denying reality. One guy denied we’re in a (soft) cold war even. I think the mods there need to be clearer about the rules though, and criticism of any country’s actions should be allowed. They left the post up too btw.

And I’m actually okay with discussions about geopolitics being controlled. Those tend to bring out the worst wierdos from the old place.

I'd say it's mainstream media-type liberal bias. Inclusive aesthetically, and occasionally sincerely too, but mostly shit.

Sadly we've got the smug 'new' atheists of the old sort on here too.

They're not committed to progress, only condemning others as backwards while (generally) supporting punitive policies domestically and abroad.

Seems like we had downtime again just a little while earlier?

That's interesting. ^[Markdown is very cool]

Just for clarity Kindles still don't support epubs but if you use their service they get automatically converted to a compatible format and then pushed to your device iirc.

Seems incompatible with our values tbh.