HamSwagwich @ HamSwagwich @showeq.com

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Anyone know of a vBulletin to Lemmy importer? I have a very old forum that dates back 20+ years that's still active I would like to convert, but it's not practical and I'm not going to lose that history or force the users to go elsewhere

This means you have soft water. Hard water washes away the soap immediately

Yes please. It really draws the eye, even from a distance. Would kind to make it much less obvious

I, too, preferred KBin to lemmy. I created my communities there and ultimately spun up my own instance. With all the problems, I finally gave up on it and ended up spinning up a lemmy instance. With the Advent of Sync for lemmy, it was the right decision.

Now, using sync, and lemmy tools on the desktop, the lemmy experience is excellent.

I do think KBin has a better user interface and the extra Mastodon integration is awesome, but it's just too rough to be used as a daily driver unfortunately.

I can't believe EverQuest is still around, lol. Blows my mind

The French invented modern clowning

Yes one in the same. Thought about moving the forum to lemmy but there's so much history there

Yep, I agree. Yet another reason I just spun up my own instance and use that.

Fried rice? Not so much. Plain White rice, yes.

https://youtu.be/LquGybLchLA

When you interact online and refuse to own your interactions, that's trolling. That's what I mean when I say that. If you aren't willing to own up to your interactions (particularly negative ones), then you are being a troll. Small, large, medium sized doesn't matter... a troll is a troll and contributes, however minorly, to the toxicity of a given community.

And as far as bans are concerned, that’s a moderation problem, not your role as an individual. I’ve never suggested votes should be completely untraceable, that’d be patently ridiculous and remove the ability to actually handle vote manipulation. Moderators and admins should obviously have that access, as I’ve asserted in this thread.

As an admin of an instance, that just adds more work that should be handled between users, not moderators/admins. Traditionally yes it's been handled by moderators/admins, and they get overloaded and become jaded. They can be biased (for or against you), they can just not care, etc... if we can move that moderation job off of the moderators and onto the users where they belong, we foster the independence and autonomy, as well as the accountability, that every individual should have. That way, if something isn't going your way you know where to look for the source of the problem, instead of blaming biased moderators etc...

I’m also not advocating my votes be anonymous, I’m fine with having them public on my page. That alone gives you the complete ability to make a judgement about me as a person, or whatever it is you want to do with that. What I’m suggesting is that a user who’s just been downvoted shouldn’t have a trivial way of linking it to the individual who downvoted them in order to harass them.

Why not? If the down voter is a bad actor, why not give the user the ability to know who it is and block them? If the down voter is a white hat and legitimately voting down a subject, why do they need to hide behind anonymity? Anonymous downvotes only serves the bad actors. If you are not a bad actor and you want to participate in a community, you should be held accountable for your actions. This is not a "if you have nothing to hide scenario..." Let me provide an example:

Poster A posts something controversial that is completely against the norms of society, lets say they post that "groping women on the train should be allowed"

Poster B downvotes them because it's obviously a stupid idea and deserves a downvote. No problem, right? It's downvoted because it should be downvoted and if poster A wants to go after poster B (and everyone else who downvoted), as you said, one down voter isn't going to be a problem.

Now, what if Poster A posts "Every human deserves the same basic rights, including trans people!" and poster B decides to downvote Poster A. Should Poster A not be able to identify who downvoted them and avoid them in the future?

If voting is "such a minor part of the system" what does it matter if it's public or not or if someone "goes after" someone who downvoted them? The worst they can do is .... down vote them harder?

If, however, it's not such a minor part and is an important part, then we need accountability for who's voting.

If it's a vote brigade situation or downvote bot, the user being downvoted as the right to know WHO is doing it and block them if they so choose. Taking it to the logical extreme, if a given individual blocks everyone who downvotes them, they will eventually end up in an echo chamber of their own making and isolate themselves, either through blocking people or people blocking them. So it becomes a non-issue on it's own.

Frankly, the impression I’m getting is that you’re not actually paying much attention to the case I’ve made, and are instead just using my comments as a platform to have a completely different argument that you’re passionate about. That’s the ONLY way that you could have missed my point so entirely, and come to the conclusion that I could ONLY be a troll or a moron.

What case have you made for private voting? I haven't seen you make a case, other than "Voting should not be accessible to the general public" but you haven't explained or demonstrated a scenario where the benefits of that (which are... what?) outweigh the negatives (trolling, brigading, bots, morons, etc)

That's the same conclusion I've come out. It drives my wife crazy that I don't communicate but on balance it seems the better option.

No it wouldn't, if the instances were creative with the data manipulation. I can think of at least 3 ways to do it right now

Because using a hash based on elements in the post would change on an edit is why I said that

What if the post is edited at a later time? Then all those votes become invalid. It's not practical with the way ActivityPub is designed. Honestly, it's designed the way it is for a reason... if you aren't willing to own your participation on a public forum, you shouldn't be on a public forum.

It would also open the door for rogue instances to send out massive downvote counts without any data to back that up. That's not to say you couldn't already do that with fake users, but it's much easier to identify a mass of fake users than it is to identify a mass of fake downvotes as a number.

It absolutely is being a troll. If you aren't willing to associate yourself with your participation, that's the definition of a troll.

With anonymous downvotes, they are already weaponized and used to suppress topics. Having publicly available voting means you can block people who are toxic downvoters and/or hopefully ban those people/bots that do that.

Let me say this again so I can be perfectly clear: **If you are not willing to own your participation on a public forum, you should not be participating on that public forum. Go to a private one. **

The rise of online toxicity is a direct correlation with anonymity. What's even more egregious about your stance is the fact that if you want to be anonymous and maintain your anonimity, it's easy to do: use a throwaway account or otherwise anonymous account on yours or any other lemmy instance. There is absolutely NO valid reason to not have your voting history public in the Fediverse. The privacy crowd can make that happen by having throwaway accounts (which can be banned for being toxic, etc...) and people who want to have civilized discussions can have that by blocking/banning problem accounts. Taking away the public nature of your participation ONLY encourages toxic behavior and the ONLY people advocating for private voting are either trolls or people who don't understand the problem.

That's actually why I want to watch it. I can't believe anyone has anything nice to say about that prick

It's part of the ActivityPub protocol. It's inherent in the system unless you don't want votes to register on anything but the local server.

Don't vote if you aren't willing to own your interactions. Stop being a troll.

If you aren't willing to own your interactions with people, maybe you shouldn't be doing it? Why do you feel the need to hide? Thought processes like this are what leads to toxicity online. If you aren't willing to own your comments and votes, you shouldn't be allowed to interact with people in a community.

We call people that want to be negative online while remaining anonymous a troll. Don't be a troll.