Guenther_Amanita @ Guenther_Amanita @feddit.de

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Thanks for your comment!

I would love to try, but never got used to workspaces and on a 14in laptop you never tile more than once horizontally, everything else is unusable with apps that have menus etc.

Same for me. It's supposed to be on my ultra wide screen desktop PC, on my laptop I will stay on Gnome due to the clutter free UI and the ability to change workspaces. On the other hand, you switch workspaces with keyboard shortcuts and then utilize the small screen estate better.
^but those glorious gestures on Gnome tho...

A mix between tiling and floating is needed.

There's a mockup/ plans somewhere for Gnome for dynamic tiling. The apps then tile and arrange themselves on their prefered sizes. That's a reason why most core apps in Libadwaita need dynamic sidebars and stuff like that, that's their preparation :)

I prefer many KDE apps, use all GNOME apps as Flatpaks, but Dolphin & Kate would pull in tons of dependencies.

I'm a bit torn apart. Dolphin for example feels more powerful, but I usually don't need this much functionality and prefer simplicity. But, at least for my desktop PC, where I edit photos for example, and do more stuff in general, those previews of RAW images or plugins with installed apps are just god send. You can use Distrobox for that use case tho, here's a link to a post I made a while ago: https://feddit.de/post/8018330
You can install Dolphin for example in that container, but keep your host minimal.

you need app systray icons, and I would also not want to live without the basic KDE systray features like volume, bluetooth, wifi. Those will just have way less features on TWMs I think.

You can still get very powerful setups on TWMs. There are a dozen of bars with all features you need.

Fedora has some Hyprland packages packaged, many more in a COPR. There is [github.com/secureblue/secureblue](secureblue with some TWMs) or the regular base github.com/wayblueorg/wayblue which has River, Hyprland, Sway and Wayfire images. Here people can work together to create a good experience out of the box.

I am already trying to incorporate my setup with Niri (the TWM) into said uBlue images to provide a fully functional TWM-DE. I'm just currently learning how to do that, and my past tries have failed for now in the last days. But I'm onto it.

Just as a small information, I've written the post myself. I didn't copy-paste it from someone else.

Could you please do me the favour and elaborate on your critic points more? Then I could edit the post a bit more.

Also, in the beginning of it, I even put the disclaimer that I had to "lie" a bit to simplify everything, so that it is better understandable by everyone, including newcomers.

IBDs are updated the same way as other distros, it's just that they're released as a snapshot.

No. If you take Tumbleweed as example, it also gets released as snapshot. But, IBDs are referencing one image and then copy that, while on traditional package managers, every install is individual and drifts over time.
I've seen many posts and Git-issues where the devs or other users said "closed, can't replicate". Or people periodically reinstalling every year because the installs became cluttered and unstable.

There's a reason why immutable distros were developed a few years ago. Even back than they were very promising, and there weren't even remotely as many Flatpaks available and technologies like Distrobox and much more weren't there too.
From now on, they will only become better and better!

Still, thank you for your critique :)
It hurt a bit, because it took a long time to write the post, but I will always try to be open to it and correct my statements in it.

You can try Fedora Atomic.
There's a project called universal-blue.org, which gives you a huge choice of available images, that all "just work".
I personally recommend the Silverblue version, since Gnome looks and behaves very professional. You can use KDE too if you like that more.

Here's a link to my post I made with more information on why you should choose an immutable distro: https://feddit.de/post/8234416

Btw, 8 GB of RAM isn't much for video editing. I recommend you to upgrade the RAM if you are able to.

Edit: maybe consider installing it on a second drive if you can. Even with better hardware than yours, VMs usually feel a bit clunky.

I already tried Polonium and didn't like it. It really feels messy.

Forge/ PopShell are a bit better, but you still notice Mutter struggling with the extensions.

Same with PaperWM. Hence why I want to use Niri, which is pretty much PaperWM, but standalone.

Thanks a lot for your helpful comment! Looks very clean!

Thank you a lot for that helpful and elaborate answer!

You mean Git SCM/VCS? GitHub is a Microsoft-owned software forge. True that it has a lot of software hosted, but personally, I think they're scummy. There's are other alternatives, like Codeberg and GitLab. It shouldn't matter what forge you're using realistically, but ideologically, if you're a copy-left hardliner, you might want to avoid them.

Yeah, correct. I know that Github isn't perfect due to MSs' ownership, but for now, it's the biggest. I also have a codeberg account, but I haven't used it yet.
I try to make a custom uBlue-image (immutable Fedora spin project), and for that, Github is the official method.
But I will look around if Codeberg or other Git platforms work too at the moment.
Does Codeberg also have an automatic building system/ Github actions?

You don't really need to use a tiling window.

Sure I don't need to, but I want to try it.
I am a huge Gnome fan and wanted to try a WM for a longer time now. Now, Niri has released, and I couldn't find an already made image yet, so I decided to do it myself. For me, a big part is the learning experience. I finally have enough time for that now and to invest some of it for that project :)

Thanks!

I think both are equally great and it's more about taste.

Logseq is an outliner, so basically everything is written in bullet points. For my type of thinking, that's great. Obsidian is more about longer notes.

You can archive both with extensions, so it's about you what you prefer.

It sucks that they don't allow a survey without logging in first. Had to create an account extra for taking part...

Your best bet would be PVA (Poly vinyl alcohol), which is a water soluble plastic and usually the base of wood glue or water based paper glue.
Dilute it in warm water and soak your paper in it.

Starch is too stiff and crumbly for that use case.

Logseq. Linear To-Do-lists aren't for me, and in Logseq, I can do it organically

Wow, I'm mind blown. If you are remotely interested in that project, you should consider spending those 5 minutes to read the article.

For my part, I'm considering to contribute by translating and testing the beta.
It doesn't seem "better" than Fedora Silverblue, but I always found the communication lacking. The team behind VOS on the other hand feels very level headed and emphasizes strongly on communication, which I both don't see enough in the Linux community.

Of course, technically speaking, VOS isn't very revolutionary. Stuff like Distrobox, Waydroid and all the "other" things (Software center, etc.) existed before, but they weren't advertised enough.

In general, I really like their approach and the direction they are going. It really has the potential to surpass Linux Mint as the #1 beginner distro recommendation imo!

I wanted some system that would survive me and my constant discovery of new software. It was impossible at the time and I had to reinstall whole distro every few months.

100% same. Both my curiosity and my unsteady power supply have broken my PC many times beyond recovery.
I had to reinstall every month.

Now, when an image is fried due to an bad update, user error or over-voltage, I just select yesterday's image and I'm fine.

For every system package i had to reboot, package management UI was for Flatpak, to install userlevel packages I had to use some other way...

You are right in both statements.
I just don't see any point of installing more than one or two system apps.
On my desktop (KDE) there's only lightly-plasma (an application style), and on my laptop only TLP installed.
Everything else is in Distrobox (check my post about that too).
You just came from Nix and expected a, at that time young, Silverblue to work the same.
You can also use the --apply-live tag now too, but I don't see any reason why. Rebooting once every few days or weeks takes only seconds on todays hard drives.

I also use Flatpak for everything not CLI and I miss nothing.

It died on me some day after upgrade...

That sucks, I'm sorry for you! How did that happen? Weren't you able to roll back?
I only had it "breaking" twice. Once, because of a kernel bug that made my GPU extremely loud and prevented standby, and once because SSDM/ KDE broke. Both on the same PC mentioned earlier, so it probably was the hardware.

Logseq. I love it so much I bought the sync-access to support the project!

Dude... It's the hundredth time you've posted this copypasta.
Image-based OSs aren't locked down and also don't depend on proprietary services.

You can just read my post I made about immutable systems, maybe we can discuss it there.

But, I wouldn't choose a image based OS right now too for servers. At least yet.
I'm just afraid about compatibility, because many installers and services might rely on access to the root file system for now. Debian is right now the best choice as server OS, but that might change in the future.

I absolutely believe you. I also had a good experience with it, besides from the few paoercuts of running a bleeding edge distro.

I just have many power-cuts and sometimes, my PC went off when updating or was in a state of not being able to power on.
Also, updating this huge amount of data every week is just not the best choice for my bandwidth.

Thank you! I didn't know this images already existed and wanted to make something like this myself. Very neat!

I wanted to write the same.

I have literally zero clue about WMs, but I think I will try it if nobody else wants to.

I'm just super hyped in trying it now!

Wow, awesome!
I HAVE to try this out!