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  • Theory usually needs to compromise when confronted with reality, there are no blank slates or ideal conditions. Ask the communists.

  • Yes, indeed, socialism is an intellectual offshoot of capitalism/liberalism/enlightenment (not neoliberalism, of course) that emerged as a reaction to the industrial revolution (and the French revolution, or you could go as far back as the English civil war, with the levellers) as a reaction to the wealth inequality it creates and it predates Marxism, but communism coopted the term and made it seem exclusively authoritarian (because that was supposedly the only way to beat capital).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#Etymology

    Engels wrote that in 1848, when The Communist Manifesto was published, socialism was respectable in Europe while communism was not. The Owenites in England and the Fourierists in France were considered respectable socialists while working-class movements that "proclaimed the necessity of total social change" denoted themselves communists.[54] This branch of socialism produced the communist work of Étienne Cabet in France and Wilhelm Weitling in Germany.[55] British moral philosopher John Stuart Mill discussed a form of economic socialism within free market. In later editions of his Principles of Political Economy (1848), Mill posited that "as far as economic theory was concerned, there is nothing in principle in economic theory that precludes an economic order based on socialist policies"[56][57] and promoted substituting capitalist businesses with worker cooperatives.[58] While democrats looked to the Revolutions of 1848 as a democratic revolution which in the long run ensured liberty, equality, and fraternity, Marxists denounced it as a betrayal of working-class ideals by a bourgeoisie indifferent to the proletariat.[59]

  • Yes, but that is no reason to disparage socialism itself. In authoritarian socialism, it is the authoritarian part that sucks.

  • I'm fine with that, it just sounds like these people think they can commodify that kind of dedication in exchange for much less than what you got creating your own.

  • Yeah, I'd rather pay for clear-minded hours of a worker, rather than near-burnout hours. But the guy doesn't care, he's trying to compete by saving in wages...at the frontline of tech. It makes no sense either way.

  • What I don't get is...they can just hire more people to do the work and expand the company? When you consider this, you realize that they're just asking people to work 40% more without an increase in pay (hence hiring more people is not an option)...then they call it "productivity gains".

  • Democratic market socialism is a perfectly moderate ideology (too moderate, because often it lets the market win over and the democracy decay). You can also consider weekends, paid leave, women's vote, public education, healthcare, public media and social security as socialist policies. It is one of the main political currents founding the EU and in South America. Only in the US is it used to describe radicals or as an insult.

    I'm even reluctant to point this out to magats now, because they never get the point and may even get it in their head that these are the things to destroy wherever they exist, just because they're socialist in origin.

  • Well, this is where specific targetted protectionist policies can work, provided they are used just to buy time to catch up, deploy industrial policy, subsidies, to differentiate and for RnD and not just to bury your head in the sand and keep making expensive shit products.

  • No time or money to have kids and when you manage to have them, you don't know them...then insist on why social policies need to be curtailed to increase productivity even more.

  • If .ml were a lefty echo chamber people wouldn't hate hexbear, but they do.

  • The EU used to do some pushing by setting regulation standards and consumer protection, but now the tech companies ran to tramp asking him to save them from any regulation anywhere in the world.

  • Yeah, Brazil has a chance to demonstrate to the world that proper democracies don't let traitors get away with an attempted coup. Interestingly, the last fascist coup in Brazil was in 1964 and was supported by the US, so they can't act like the coup was nothing, trump is poking a wasp nest... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d'etat

  • So it's almost like time travel...

  • Hunter-gatherers used to forage in a radius up to 10k 😁

  • elon didn't rest until his minions lobotomized an llm that was mostly like the others into becoming openly nazi...is anyone out there still going to defend elon?

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