Glytch @ Glytch @lemmy.world

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You're going through a lot of effort to dodge a simple question: do you believe that everyone should get nothing as long as it sticks it to the rich?

It should be easy to answer without changing the subject.

Is that your answer? So you're saying you do prefer that no one gets any government help as long as it's sticking it to the rich?

By continuing to support a business that you know exploits its workers you participate in the exploitation of those workers. Your desire to not pay for services rendered only amplifies said exploitation and does nothing to incentivize its cessation.

To paraphrase PBS: Exploitation is made possible by customers like you.

Have a good night. I may not return to this discussion tomorrow, but it's been nice talking to you.

I feel I have a right as it's the culture I was born into, but still acknowledge it's flaws (as do you, to be fair).

True some of us do try. Others glory in their lack of effort. Many of those are in this thread.

You certainly have the attitude of an American, and the economic understanding of one too.

A very good American.

Any words you may have put in my mouth ( I don't think you did but I'm on a 12 hour shift while we're having this discussion so I don't have the energy to check what I've already said) are ones I agree with. I do think we agree on the most important parts of what we've talked about (as you've laid out here).

Blame the exploited for their exploitation and don't acknowledge your part in it. You are a good American.

Customers fund businesses. Customers who don't tip still fund businesses. Not tipping makes no impact on the business's pay scale.

For my part my “boycotting” tipping mostly involves refusing to tip anything that isn’t service related, and stopping going out to restaurants almost entirely.

See, that actually does sound like the right way to do it, because you aren't refusing to pay for a service being provided to you. Instead you're refusing to use the service altogether, which more directly affects the business owner rather than worker. It still impacts the worker (due to lower overall business) but in a much less damaging way than simply not tipping.

A. Wage theft is widespread and hard to fight without money

B. Minimum wage hasn't been a livable wage since the 70's

Why are those mutually exclusive? You shouldn't punish people for things that aren't their fault and refusing to tip will not have the intended effect.

Also I'm not saying you don't have the right to not tip. I'm saying that people who don't tip are wrong not to

Boycotting would be not eating at restaurants that don't pay a living wage. Not tipping is just punishing someone for providing you a service because you think it will somehow influence their employer.

The ones funding my bosses and not me are doing a lot more to protect the system than I am. Not tipping has no effect on the employer and only punishes the person providing you a service.

Or better yet advocate for a minimum wage that is actually livable so people don't have to rely on charity organizations that often come with religious strings attached.

Yes, blame the exploited for their exploitation and never acknowledge your participation in it. You are a good American

This is how you sound from your high horse.

I assure you I am also angry at my corporate masters, but they're irredeemable scum and aren't on Lemmy. It angers me more when I see people cheering that food is being taken out of my mouth as though it's some virtuous blow to my bosses. It's not. You're only further exploiting already exploited people

Refusing to tip does nothing to convince an employer to pay more. It only further exploits an already exploited worker.

If you actually care don't patronize businesses that have a tipped wage and lobby for a higher minimum wage.