Glowstick @ Glowstick @lemmy.world

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Oh snap that's so geeky cool!

The same is true for all companies' self driving cars, and the companies would gladly sell all that data to China or any other government

The people who are against the concept of free will say that because you have innate desires for food sex and entertainment, that you have no choice to not act upon those in a desires and therefore any delusion that you carry about the choices that you make being done of an entirely unencumbered and Free Will are false.

That's not the argument against free will. The argument is just that there's a physical process to every thought in your head. When you think of a tree, inside your brain a specific pattern of neurons and chemical messengers activate which is what creates the thought of a tree.

When you're consciously deciding whether to eat a donut or a salad, a specific pattern of neurons and chemical messengers are the mechanism by which that decision process is occurring. The pattern of neurons and chemical messengers happening in your brain is the physical mechanism that is performing the decision making process.

There are no thoughts outside of the ones generated by your neurons and chemical messengers. The pattern of neurons and chemical messengers IS the thought that you're thinking. Your brain (and the thoughts that occur within it) is a physical object that obeys the laws of nature, the same as all physical objects do.

I didn't do what you said. Did you read the links?

I'm not. Did you reply to the correct comment?

Huh, TIL. In general society I've only ever heard of trolls being male

Neither of those are pejoratives, they're just the words for your positions

https://www.askdifference.com/natural-vs-supernatural/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

Everything you just wrote in your followup reply here continues to fit into those categories as far as i can tell.

But where does your desire and capacity to do that thing come from? It arises from the physical arrangement of neurons/hormones/etc. in your brain and body

Pot kettle black

Interesting to know, thanks. But how is that any different than for example a troll as it pertains to men?

What if you never had it and never can have it because its not a havable thing

Even in that scenario, the "conscious choice" happened via some particular arrangement of neurons/chemical messengers/etc. Your argument is a "god of the gaps" argument- science doesn't know everything about how the brain works, therefore some supernatural process called "free will" is the cause of the stuff science can't explain yet.

(No knock on you, you're having a good faith debate :)

The most accurate answer is: We don't know.

But there are pieces of scientific evidence that suggest our sense of free will is just another perception process that happens in our brains. Specifically I'm thinking about people who have problems in their brain that make them feel like they AREN'T the one controlling what they do. For example people suffering from derealization - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depersonalization-derealization-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20352911

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As to why our brains have a process that gives us a perception of free will, that's a much harder question that i think science currently only has conjecture on. If i had to guess I'd guess that either there's an evolutionary advantage to it, or it's an emergent property that arises from all the parts of the brain being connected in the way they are

I don't know basically anything about dnd, can you give me some specific examples so i can understand what you're saying? Thanks

If you want to change this about yourself, then you can see a therapist to help you do it. You don't have to be mentally ill to see a therapist, they can just help you make changes in yourself that you want to make. For something like this you would want to see a CBT therapist

Ariesta Birawa Group

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyqwivH9NE

Would you want to change it if you could?

I used to be that way too, but it's a skill that you learn through practice. Like push yourself to get into things just a teeny tiny bit to start with for now. Then after awhile it'll be easy to get to that point of toe-dipping, so then you push yourself to go in a bit more next time, and do that every time you're at some activity, and then eventually you'll find it easy to jump right into the deep end of every activity. But it does take some effort to push yourself in the earlier stages

Yeah, but it then goes on saying

"However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it."

And that's what I'm saying "y tho" to.

I assume you're quite young, which is great! I'd suggest learning to enthusiastically jump into whatever activity you wind up in. It's way more fun that way.

At a comic con? Throw on a mask and start talking in a funny voice!

At an opera? Listen closely to the sounds and try to enjoy the artisticness of the performance!

In a big grassy field with nothing to do? Take your shoes off and let the grass tickle your feet!

In my experience it's easy to judge things as lame and to tell yourself that you're too cool for that thing, but that winds up not being fun, and you wind up missing out on a lot of stuff that you actually would've enjoyed if you let yourself get into it. Learn to be open to trying new types of experiences and you'll wind up having more fun in life!