Gloomy @ Gloomy @mander.xyz

A buddhist vegan goth with questionable humour.

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So you don't see the discrimination against non white people as a problem then?

The study is evidence that there is a systemic disadvantage for non whites when hiring.

Why should this not be the case at NASA? What makes NASA so special that findings, that showed true on a systemic level across six countries don't apply to it?

If you are interested, NASA did an audit on their progress on including DEIA in 2023.

https://oig.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IG-23-011.pdf

Despite support from Agency leaders and multiple initiatives to increase diversity, we found NASA has made little progress in increasing the representation of women and minorities in its civilian workforce or leadership ranks. Specifically, over the past decade NASA’s overall workforce demographics have stayed roughly the same, with small increases (1 or 2 percent) for some groups. Demographics have not varied significantly over the same time period at individual NASA Centers, with only two Centers increasing African American representation and other Centers making small gains in Hispanic, Asian American, and women’s representation. We also found NASA has made few gains in the percentages of women and racial and ethnic minorities in its senior levels (General Schedule 14 and 15 positions and NASA’s Efforts to Increase Diversity in Its Workforce RESULTS IN BRIEF Senior Executive Service) over the decade. At the same time, the proportion of veterans NASA hires has declined over the past 10 years, most significantly from 28 percent in 2015 to 13 percent in 2021

I'm glad you asked. Racial discrimination when hiring is a problem and can be observed easily.

For example this meta study, that looked at many experimental studies in 6 different western counties, shows how racial discrimination is a problem when hiring. This has been demonstrated in experimental research by sending two resumes to different workplaces. They show the same level of qualification, but one of them is from a white on one from a person that is not. You do this a lot, like 200 times with 200 employers and see how often both candidates are invited.

And consistently you can see that white people are invites, while racial divergent people are not.

From the meta study this reads like this:

Persistent discrimination in labor markets in North America and Europe has been demonstrated most clearly by field experiments in which investigators use testers or submit applications by mail or over the internet for jobs with clues indicating the race or ethnicity of applicants (5–7). These experiments show that on average in Western countries native Whites receive about 50% more callbacks than similarly qualified non-White applicants (5).*  This does not include significant additional discrimination that occurs after the callback (8).

Imagine beeing this fragile.

I'll spell it out for you honey. As long as we don't offer the same privileges white people have to all people, we need a qutoa to level the playing field.

I know that doesn't fit your ideology. Doesn't change how it's true tough.

Bit funny how like two thirds of our conversation happened in your head. What ever. Have a nice one too.

I can think they are his minions who are helping him carry out a coup and still condem death threat against them. Why does everything have to be black and white these days?

Anyhow, you are not obligated to answer me. I'll read into it or won't, untill then I just won't have any opinion on this matter.

Edit: And you can be somebody's minion (as in tool used to aquire your goals) and still be a human. I don't see that as mutually exclusive.

Be thankful for small favours, I guess. Still sucks that this happened, but at least the car and you are OK.

Sry this happend to you. How bad is the damage to your car?

I've been out of the loop with this one. Please, by all means, give some context. Do I read you right that info about elons minions was doxed?

The Nazis were voted into power too. And then destroyed the state from within. Call it what you like, but the parallels are very obvious.

I believe that Putin has pushed and directly and indirectly supported Trump, to weaken the minority world (aka "the West"). This might actually backfire now. A autoritatian regime lead by Trump is much more a wild card than the USA was before, because he doesn't follow a predictable pattern. At least thats how the situation seems to be to me. Maybe I am not seeing the big picture here.

And he's an idiot for doing so. Non the less, if experts who know more about the inner workings say that him firing people had nothing to do with it then I will trust them on it.

I know it makes a nice narrative: Trump blames DAI but is actually the one to blame. But if that narrative doesn't hold up to reality then i think we shouldn't push it forward.

It's bad enoth that he uses the death of humans to scream about his wired anti DAI point. He doesn't need to be responsible for the crash in order to criticise that.

I just want to point out that

Trump announced sweeping personnel changes, including a hiring freeze. But aviation experts said Trump had done little that could have precipitated the crash between a commercial jet from Wichita, Kansas, and a military Black Hawk helicopter. There was simply too little time – less than 10 days after Trump was sworn in – for any of his broadly worded executive orders to have had an effect, experts said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/31/did-trumps-firing-of-aviation-officials-increase-likelihood-of-dc-crash

He is still an asshole, but the firing had, apparently, as much to do with the crash as DAI programms: nothing at all.

Thanks

Thanks for checking. It's so easy to believe the things that fit your own worldview.

Do you have a source for the edit, please?

I can only repeat what I said before I anther comment. I'm not defending Gates. Of course there are things he should be criticised for. You bring up one example here.

What I am saying is, that you should not judge him on what he did four decades ago, but how he is acting today.

Yes. I don't want to judge people by who they were four decades ago, but who they have become. I believe that every human has the potential to grow and learn.

Mind you, I'm not saying Mr. Gates is an angel now, or shouldn't be judged. But I'd rather base ma judgement on the person he is now that on the person he was long ago.

Yeah, he was a real asshole 44 years ago. Glad people never change at all.