Giooschi @ Giooschi @lemmy.world

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If you think this is normal then imagine what other people think of the linux community though!

But here's the issue: the parent comment didn't even provide reasons why they think Windows sucks or examples/episodes where this was a problem for them. It adds nothing to the discussion, just free hate.

Lots of major companies like Microsoft and IBM also contribute to Linux, it doesn't make them saints nor even necessarily compare to what they get for using the volunteer dev work inside Linux.

Most of those companies actually contribute to the kernel or to foundational software used on servers, but few contribute to the userspace for desktop consumers on the level that Valve does.

Zig is "c", but modern and safe.

Zig is safer than C, but not on a level that is comparable to Rust, so it lacks its biggest selling point. Unfortunately just being a more modern language is not enough to sell it.

So imagine if trying to fit in a C-like cousin failed

C++ was not added to Linux because Linus Torvalds thought it was an horrible language, not because it was not possible to integrate in the kernel.

CEO bonuses should be awarded 10 years after their mandate

It also seems to require a GC though...

newxml is GC only, for simplicity sake.

Pointers are not guaranteed to be safe

So I guess they are forbidden in @safe mode?

but it's being replaced by something else instead

Do you know what is the replacement? I tried looking up DIP1000 but it only says "superceded" without mentioning by what.

This makes me wonder how ready D is for someone that wants to extensively use @safe though.

For local variables, one should use pointers, otherwise ref does references that are guaranteed to be valid to their lifetime, and thus have said limitations.

Should I take this to mean that pointers instead are not guaranteed to be valid, and thus are not memory safe?

Note that Rust does not "solve" memory management for you, it just checks whether yours is memory safe. Initially you might rely on the borrow checker for those checks, but as you become more and more used to Rust you'll start to anticipate it and write code that already safisfies it. So ultimately you'll still learn how to safely deal with memory management, just in a different way.

Rust for Linux used to be developed in parallel to the mainline Linux before Linus Torvalds merged support in the main tree.

"safe by default" can be done by starting your files with @safe:

Last time I heard about that it was much more limited than Rust, for example it even disallowed taking references to local variables. Has something changed since then?

But the one time I looked at a rust git repo I couldn't even find where the code to do a thing was.

IMO that tells more about how the project was organized and names things than the language used.

So I think probably, the best way IS to go the way linus did. Just go ahead and write a very basic working kernel in rust. If the project is popular it will gain momentum.

As the other commenter pointed out, there's Redox. The issue is that this completly disregards an incremental approach: you have to rewrite everything before it comes usable, you can't do it piece by piece. Currently the approach of Rust for Linux is not even to rewrite things, but to allow writing new drivers in Rust.

Trying to slowly adapt parts of the kernel to rust and then complain when long term C developers don't want to learn a new language in order to help isn't going to make many friends on that team.

Have you seen the conference video? That's not just refusal to learn a new language, it's open hostility. And it's not the only instance, for example Asahi Lina also reported unreasonable behaviour by some maintainers just because she wrote Rust code, even when Rust was not involved.

The reputation loss is probably worse than whatever fine they end up paying

Time to pull a Meta/X and change name

Unfortunately some things will IMO always remain a natural monopoly. For example good luck trying to convince developers to write their apps for all those different operating systems.

That doesn't really excuse its behavior in the video though.

Luckily Apple strictly controls the App Store and will never allow apps to abuse this, right? Right?

Your parent comment was mentioning the fact that their store still does not support user reviews, which should be one of the most basic features.

Epic chose not to try and compete with Steam on that front

Forget competing, they lack even the basics.

Where's the punch?

In the face of everyone expecting an upgrade

Gnome 47 will have support for accent colors if that's what you want.

Does GNOME really need an app to change the theme?

You can also do what this app does manually. The point is that "themes" are an hack and not officially supported, as such it doesn't make sense to provide an official interface to set them.

KDE plasma has this natively...

Do you mean for global themes, application styles or plasma styles? All application styles I can find either use Kvantum or require you to compile them manually...