General_Effort @ General_Effort @lemmy.world

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Mostly, they can't. Businesses like Walmart have margins of around 3-4% or so. If the cost goes up an extra 10% or more, that's it.

Besides, I don't see why they would prop up a guy who's ruining them, anyway. Even if it didn't require gifting billions to customers.

You obviously have strong feelings on intellectual property. What actually are your views on that?

You can have limits on inequality by implementing rules.

Ok. And how would these rules fare against your convictions on property?

Again, don't treat me like an idiot. Lemmy is full of threads where people cheer on big corporations like Disney when they go to court. I get that you only care about your ideology and not whether Disney, Adobe, or any other of them profits. But that's how it goes. Either you change your ideology or you accept what kind of world you are fighting for.

I’ve been saying that each person owns their data and have the right to decide what it can be used for.

Fair enough, but that's a really fine point. You can do what you like with your property; use it, make it a gift, destroy it, give it to charity, ... But in daily life of most people, property rights are all about money.

Your ideas demand a massive amount of free money for the likes of Disney. On a societal level, that's basically it. I feel justified in ignoring a few people who have idiosyncratic plans.

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It’s a separate discussion but: that rich people own most of the assets has a lot to do with the fact they steal and use stolen resources to appropriate more resources. It’s parasitic and needs to stop.

No. Wealth inequality is an unavoidable part of having property. I can find a simulation for you, if you want.

So you're not seeking rent. Good on ya, because no small artist would be getting any appreciable amount of money. The big bucks go to Disney, Adobe, Getty, and the likes of them.

What am I supposed to do with the information you're giving me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

I draw some quiet satisfaction from feeling that I've had a positive influence on the world. I really don't understand why some are so outraged that they may have benefitted some stranger without payment.

Amazing how propaganda by the rich is so successful in making people believe it’s not them who are the parasites.

Look... You believe society should pay money to property owners. Who owns most of the property? Rich people. You have your ideology but don't treat me like an idiot.

And some people will say that a fair society should give back to the King what those revolutionaries stole by creating republics everywhere. You think of your ideology as the one true definition of fairness, justice, and whatever. That's just ordinary dogmatism.

As far as I'm concerned, society should be ordered to fulfill everyone's material needs; food, shelter, health care, and such things. Otherwise, people should not be interfered with. They should be free to make the best of life. That is simply incompatible with rent-seeking.

Yes, I'm sure very few AI haters will be getting any rent personally. They are supporting rent-seeking by others. I'm sure many do so out of "principle", or as it would be more commonly phrased, out of ideological dogmatism. I'm a left/liberal guy. I want a society that works for everybody.

Your gaslighting game is shit. Like Copyright lawsuits aren't half the news being cheered by AI haters. Not a single privacy lawsuit in sight. How stupid do you think people are?

Rent seeking is long-established economic jargon. It doesn't necessarily imply a landlord analogy. A landlord may not be extracting an economic rent within that definition.

The point is rent-seeking, not an analogy to landlords.

Is this some weak attempt at gaslighting? If you want to make a career out of this, you really need to up your game. I mean, can you imagine some think tank going: Landlords don't want to profit from those apartments, they just want to avoid people squatting in them for free.

To be clear, here is what I mean by rent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

Seems to be mainly about property owners not getting enough rent.

ikr?

You mean like a nerd who reads too much?

Yeah. I looked it up. That's why I made the post with the credible numbers. The point about the crime rate is one of the criticisms of that Yale study, which I thought was neat.

I can see what she's doing, but I don't know off the top of my head if there is anyone actually claiming that figure.

Most estimates of "illegal aliens", including by the Department of Homeland Security, are around ~11 million; a figure that has been stable since noughties. https://www.statista.com/statistics/646261/unauthorized-immigrant-population-in-the-us/

Based on that figure, undocumented immigrants have a much lower crime rate than average. If the figure was as high as she claims, they would have to be absolute saints.

The AI haters I've seen really hate free access to information. Well, there's apparently other kinds.