GarbageShootAlt2 @ GarbageShootAlt2 @lemmy.ml

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If you come at things from such a completely misanthropic point of view, you firstly are unlikely to get off the ground, but even if you do, you'll just be creating what liberals think socialism is (a very bad and ineffectual thing)

“death to America”

So mad about it that you had to mention it twice unprompted.

MuH AiDs

Literally an attempted genocide on the gay population. I think it's fair to say life was pretty tough for them.

It's an invented prescriptionist rule that was imported from studying Latin. You can completely ignore it and you'll get more natural sounding language.

Oh certainly, they'll fuck you up way more readily and viscerally than a horse ever would, I just always wondered about the logic of their name.

You can only get more conservative when you have things to protect like a house and a pension.

In aggragate, that's the more reliable way to make a population more conservative, but remember that a reasonable portion of fascists in a society that is going in that direction are going to be people who either lost that or never had it and, in either case, blame some minority for that fact. (The majority are still people like you describe, though, the petite bourgeois, etc., who feel insecure in their holdings)

I agree if you mean neoliberal-conservative

Maybe that's why they're "water horses", because they gallop underwater.

Hm I’d say, as a central European, that our continent had centuries of war and destruction and we finally left that behind.

A lot of people throughout history have liked to believe that when they don't have war, it's because they are more enlightened than other countries. This is idealist and self-flattering nonsense. Central Europe, being all in multiple levels of alliance with each other and having buffer states to their east and south (some in those alliances, some just as lackeys to those alliances, notably Ukraine), they are in a very convenient position to declare themselves more civilized than those war-like brutes who live in the global south, etc.

You'd think if merely having a history of going to war was all that was needed to become peaceful, Germany would surely be the most solid among you as being an enlightened nation (and I kind of wonder if you're talking about Central Europe^tm because your German or Austrian), but Germany was glad to join the US for years in its blatantly imperialist war in Afghanistan, meanwhile the Germans could keep swilling their beer in their "peace" because they were invading from much further away than Afghanistan could hope to retaliate. Then again, I assume you'll say that the higher level of development is because of Central European enlightenment too.

And I have no fucking clue what the Imperial core is.

Here you are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_countries

Considering the Anarchy: I believe that people need to be governed over. No order, no civilization…

We must consider why conflict emerges. Obviously in our current conditions, if you just removed government, things would immediately regress to feudalism, but why is that? Could it have something to do with individuals already having dictatorial power over others? Since surely they would be the new warlords. Could it have something to do with the development of production? Since surely the petty fighting would be, in part, due to resources already being too scarce for there to be enough to go around. Just some things to think about. Of course, you could say the socialist and even the anarchist don't believe we should ever be lawless, but rather that the ultimate issue is being governed "over" rather than having people as a collective keep each other in line.

I don't think I'll actually move the needle on this one though, whereas perhaps I could help you learn about what modern imperialism is, so I'm fine if we drop it.

You don't need to give air to a fascist myth

Maybe if you engineered some new pedal vehicle that is no longer really a bike, but hippos have neither the build nor the kind of gross motor skills (or prehensile forelimbs) needed to be successful as a high-level bicyclist.

Presumably the hippo also needs to ride a bike on that stretch, so they probably aren't managing their full running speed.

Counterpoint: "Fact checkers" with an institutional bias are an excellent way to cover for lies promoted by those institutions

I rarely see it, but MBFC is an atrocious website that defines bias by distance from the center. It's just nonsense.

Social mobility only describes the ability of the hierarchy to reorder itself. It does not negate or even mitigate the fact that most people are poor.

Israel's actions now are, like the American military's actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, both propped up by American imperialist interests and the MIC. The people opposed to Israel's campaign of genocide are more analogous to the (admittedly totally ineffectual) anti-war crowd from back then.

Yeah, me too. I think it was just a lack of reinforcement of those earlier plot points because most of them are literally never mentioned after chapter 1.

But this is the very beginning, not the middle

I don’t see many central European states killing people for the reason of having different ideologies these days.

Of course not, they are nestled comfortably within the imperial core, they can better-afford to export their killing (see Germany's devotion to Israel). Most imperial core states are not like America, where protest leaders get lynched and then it gets called a suicide, because they rely on vassal states to be attack dogs.

As their position in the core becomes less and less firm, you will find that their liberalism decays into something much harsher. This has already begun with growing fascist movements in Germany, France, Italy, and so on.

Without any kind of repressive system you’ll have anarchy.

Agreed, though this is not necessarily a bad thing, depending on the particular structure of the society. However, in the meantime, it is also the socialist position that the state is repressive and, in the circumstances we currently find ourselves in, repression is necessary, it's just a matter of who is doing the repressing and who is being repressed.

The U.S. Army continued keeping Jews in the Axis’s concentration camps (‘We appear to be treating the Jews as the Nazis treated them, except that we do not exterminate them.’ — Harry Truman, Sept. 1946)

This point specifically I think is unfair. When you liberate a prison that has prisoners from far away, you can't necessarily arrange for everyone to get sent home immediately. Honestly, with the state of anatomical atrophy the survivors had been reduced to -- such that eating a larger-than-average meal would kill them -- I'd worry about them even being able to make the trip if it was taken immediately.

I could be missing something though (and I concede that them still being there in Sept. 1946 means they were probably being unduly deprioritized)