First… yes, as far as it goes. That said there’s some problems with it on the whole.
Keep in mind, this is a thought terminating cliche saying by Vulcans to explain “the logic” of self sacrifice.
The thing about logic is it can be used to justify all sorts of horrific things. (For example, the us nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)
It’s also important to note that, in general, I don’t really disagree with it here. That doesn’t make it any less of a cliche or problematic when applied to things like social policy.
Consider Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Some needs are themselves more weighty than others.
that guy’s need to get to work on time doesn’t outweigh my need to dress safely, even if there’s a dozen of them behind me- and never will.
Similarly, if the needs of the many (say, to feel safe) are juxtaposed against the few, whose need is to stay alive…. The needs of the few outweigh the many. One might say “but that doesn’t happen”… but we do. All the time.
Right now, the most extreme example are all the people that defend Israel’s right to genocide by insisting that Israel has a right to defend itself.
That said. Billionaires don’t need to make money. And they don’t even need to exist, for that matter.
(But I get the feeling OC wants something more than protests and strikes. And considering they’re apparently not American, I suggest their rhetoric is not actually in our interests.)
So, total societal collapse is rather unlikely. But a storm or earthquake or fire knocking out power, internet, etc for a week or two is…. Extremely likely.
So while the semi full of ammunition would’ve been more helpful in the latter scenario, it’s not so helpful in the far, far more likely scenario.
Yup. So during the Abbasid caliphs, religious scholars weren’t as influential. They were definitely Muslim, but they weren’t opposed to science.
But then, the religious scholars became both more influential and more conservative. The secular scholars started asking questions that were, how shall we say, uncomfortable?
You can also see this shift in the transition from a more rationalist Mu’tazilite tradition to Ash’arite.
This is the inevitable shift. As science seeks an understanding of the universe, through observation and experimentation rather than faith it’s finding an understanding that best explains a universe without god.
It is inevitable that the religious mind either abandons their faith, or abandons science. (Unless of course we stumble onto evidence for god. But, I don’t believe that’s gonna happen.)
Ultimately, if god existed and created everything… science would be another form of worship.
For the record, you should all have a go bag. Not like doomsday prepper go bags with a dozen cross bows and a semi truck full of ammunition and shit, but some clothes, some food. Medication and basic first aid, etc. copies of all your important documents.
Especially in the US with how FEMA is going. Have a plan. Have supplies for the plan.
"he's not even trying to dupe the nation first! he's just... bombing them! You can do that!" is probably not criticism so much as... you know... like envy or something.
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First… yes, as far as it goes. That said there’s some problems with it on the whole.
Keep in mind, this is a thought terminating cliche saying by Vulcans to explain “the logic” of self sacrifice.
The thing about logic is it can be used to justify all sorts of horrific things. (For example, the us nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)
It’s also important to note that, in general, I don’t really disagree with it here. That doesn’t make it any less of a cliche or problematic when applied to things like social policy.
Consider Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Some needs are themselves more weighty than others.
that guy’s need to get to work on time doesn’t outweigh my need to dress safely, even if there’s a dozen of them behind me- and never will.
Similarly, if the needs of the many (say, to feel safe) are juxtaposed against the few, whose need is to stay alive…. The needs of the few outweigh the many. One might say “but that doesn’t happen”… but we do. All the time.
Right now, the most extreme example are all the people that defend Israel’s right to genocide by insisting that Israel has a right to defend itself.
That said. Billionaires don’t need to make money. And they don’t even need to exist, for that matter.