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You are both denying and celebrating the victims of soviet gulags. I guess anyone who the soviets hate is a nazi to you and that would not really surprise me, I have talked to red fashists from the US before, you're the first from the UK though.

Lol, the black book of communism has numbers like 100 million so no I wasn't. Did your brain break and you just revert to some npc talking points?

So now you are celebrating soviet atrocities, yea you definitely have the moral high ground here.

You saying they are not does not make it so. Soviets were smarter than nazies and didn't keep records as I said so the only numbers are estimated but like the lowest death count you can find is 1.5 miljon but the highest I can find is 8 million. But since most sources agree: prisoners close to death were released and they either died on the way somewhere else or at their destination. The total guesstimates of the total population at their death camps ranges from 14 to 25 million. This also doesn't count the people deported to random villages in Siberia, never to be seen again or the famines they caused by either intentionally or by ridiculous incompetence.

Also note I was defending the Finns not nazies. You can imagine how bad the soviet regime was if nazies seem like a good alternative.

Sure, you're the perfect angel, defending soviet genocides and other atrocities.

You can check Estonian real estate sites if you don't believe me. You can get a cheaper apartment easily. Like the cheapest 1 room ones are like 40k and outside the capital it's way cheaper still or it was last I checked but that was no more than 5 years ago.

Local candies and food production is definitely a thing here now but according to my parents it was less prominent during the soviet era because you were obligated to give some of your production away to the occupiers. The most famous local candy companies is definitely still running and taste the same according to my mom, they are called Kalev if you wanna look them up.

I also like how there's no data for like the most anti soviet regions. Searching for the source at the bottom only gave me the same picture in a ifunny post so I'm assuming this is bullshit.

Ah yes, perfectly ok to defend the soviets committing a genocide, but the moment a country accepts help from nazies against soviet genocide they become nazies. Weird it doesn't bother you that soviets allied with the nazies and split Europe amongst one another in their treaty. Obviously nazies are fucking despicable but so are soviets and both did genocides. Yea, you can go fuck yourself too red fashist.

Huh? Food was incredibly one sided in soviet times, that's like the one thing that everyone knows if they know anything about the soviet occupation. Like you had to have connections to get any variety. My parents for example made their own vodka and cooking greese and traded it for more varied food. What the soviets did good was apartment design because before apartments didn't commonly come with a kitchen and bathroom.

Also housing was different then, you usually got an apartment with your job and you kept it while you had that job but most of Eastern Europe still has affordable housing. Like I bought a newly built 3 room apartment in the capital for 100k euros fairly recently.

Estonian actually, Karelia is were my mom's parents escaped from to get away from the soviet occupation but I don't fault the Finns for using help from the nazies to ward off a soviet occupation, considering the nazies weren't going to occupy Finland it was a lesser of 2 evils.

As I mentioned: the tales of soviet cruelties come from my parents and grandparents. Unfortunately my great grandparents never came back from the soviet death camps and there are no records of where they were taken which is a common thing for people losing family to those camps, soviet record keeping for those was shit. I'm lucky to know this much, most people just disappeared with no records at all. I guess they learned their lesson from the nuremberg trials and just destroyed their records.

Also feel free not to engage, I'm not too interested in some kid from the UK who fell for tankie bullshit and wasn't impacted by the soviet regime but I do love to argue.

Oh and by originally from do you mean the American originally from where your great great great grandfather was from there but you never been in said country or barely know anything about it? Or do you mean actually from the Czech republic?

It's possible some ex soviet countries didn't get their dose of ethnic/cultural cleansing and maybe even had a good life under it but by no means were living standards better back then unless their countries have really gone down the toilet now and most countries are doing better now.

Me and my whole family is from and currently in Eastern Europe you numbskull. As a bonus my mom's side of the family is originally from the karelia region where they escaped the soviet occupation once already. I grew up with horror stories from my parents and grandparents about the soviet regime. Also my extended family is about 10% lighter thanks to that regime. And anyone defending that bloody dictator's regime is a monster, yea.

It's 4 am so I'm not gonna go over the whole wall of surveys with a comb but here's my thoughts out em: I'm not surprised about the poll for Serbs, they do seem to love their genocide. As far as the 2 polls that says life was better under the USSR I guess their country must have really gone to shit now.

Considering the USSR did some considerable ethnic cleansing with their death camps in siberia and replacing the local population with their own and the breakup itself causing a lot of economic issues I can entirely believe that those countries consider the breakup itself to be harmful. Also note that the last poll leaves out 4 countries that definitely would consider the breakup to be good which is very weird. If you wanted a poll that said the breakup of the USSR was harmful you definitely want to leave out the Baltics.

If the options are Stalin or capitalism, then capitalism would be a clear winner even if it's shit because Stalin and his ideology still has the 2 issues from the first panel but on top of that he would execute anyone with an actual good system.

Ooo yea, Jesus for me too if he existed. I would love to see his reaction to thr kind of a religion he spawned. Also the possibility of getting a lot of Christians to chill the fuck out with the bigotry and hatred if you write down what the actual beliefs of Jesus were.

Even stranger is the windows 8 and 8.1 part since this is the one and only time a service pack changed the name of the OS.

Unfortunately a lot of people who claim to be socialist just follow Stalin's and Lenin's ideology of authoritarianism not much better than fascism with a history of executing actual socialists the moment they get into power. Thankfully Eastern Europe, having lived through the horrors of Stalin's regime, are better at seeing through that bullshit.

Also while most of liberal policies are just a way to make the rich richer, believing monarchy is the way to go and wanting a police surveillance state does not seem to be a common belief.

Yup. Also shot the anarchists, that worked with them and wanted democracy, in the back of the head during a meeting, The USSR then also did imperialism in their neighboring countries, deported a ton of people from those countries to death camps in siberia and allied with the nazies dividing Europe in their treaty

Does Macron even count as a liberal? He outright said the French revolution was a mistake and a monarchie would have been better. That along with trying to do some police state shit makes it seem he's just an authoritarian.

Lol no. I'm in Eastern Europe, living standards are way better now. The only good thing the USSR did here was trains and houses and those are better now. Those 2 was not worth death camps and criminalisation of my culture and language.

I'm from an ex soviet country and I can tell you that the people who miss it are the ones who got free apartments and property from people who were kidnapped and sent to the soviet death camps in siberia. I have not met anyone else who misses that time when you had to live in constant fear being deported and worked to death and when your culture and language was basically criminalised.

I'm not American either but my wife is so I know more about this than I would like. Like Hunter Biden is not in government and all he has done is smoke crack, have sex with prostitutes, swindle money from corpos by saying who his dad is and have a massive shlong so I don't see the connection.

Like american politicians in general come off to me as the most insincere people in the whole world. Like half of them probably do cocaine regularly, quite a few are obvious child molesters, pretty much all of them abuse their position just to fill their wallet with platant insider trading and the rest are owned by major corporations. No one there needs help to seem like it's just a performance. Like the only thing in American politics that seems sincere is republicans hating minorities, they are just making that their central focus even if it's not popular.