Firemyth @ Firemyth @lemm.ee

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Yeah- that didn't take much. Goodluck reconciling your future with your halfassery.

Yeah... we so were tribal nomads without society at all... so I guess that's what you want?

Oh yeah Totally. No really.

Bla bla bla- no you.

That's what you just did. Which is fine but doesn't explain any of the original points being made.

Go get those lumberjacks to cut down that forest... wait a minute... they won't do it unless someone pays them??? Really? But they will own the lumber... oh they don't need that lumber? Oh man. I guess no one owns that lumber and no one is gonna cut it down then. If only there were some way to get those guys who are experts at cutting down trees to cut them down. Then wed have lumber to build houses.... but wait- the guys that know how to build house wont build them? But since they don't wanna do it I guess there's nothing to be done. Since... ya know... paying people for their work is not valuable and apparently inherently worthless.

Guess it's just up to each member of society to learn all the things and do all the work themselves. Because paying each other for things means you don't own it and only making yourself means anything.

Also curious how I'm paying these wildly inflated housing costs but also somehow paying the people who build them wildly below the worth of their work... Man your mind just works in mysterious ways I guess.

Yeah it really is too bad that not everyone can go apply for those scholarships... the millions in unclaimed scholarships, welfare, etc just... too bad not anyone can file the paperwork.

Yeah I know it's also hard not to build credit card debt, have families with no viable plan for the future, not buy the things you want but are too expensive etc.. your right- literally everyone is doing that.

Oh mustnt forget the hubris of thinking people aren't slaves to where they start and COULD choose things like joining the military for the literal free education it gives, or contracting their particular expertise out... but I guess that involves being paid for labor... so that's out...

What a quandary.

Because of what you said bud. Not to mention how dumb of a take the original guy took. It's literally the point I was making.

You making an alt on another instance is not proof of anything.

Sure. That'd be great. Just curious why that hasn't been implemented yet.

Yes worked/built/paid for themselves. Why does it matter if I personally hammered the nail or paid someone else for the house that he hammered the nail into? Work was done and value exchanged hands. Your mode of thinking means you don't deserve any thing you didn't create yourself. I own most of my houses outright as I have mentioned I worked my ass off to pay for them. So yeah...

Oh I'd love to hear all of your education on real estate investing. I bet that'd be fun for everyone. Especially since you've already stated you can't seem to buy any place on your own...

Stating a thing does not make it so- helping myself does not harm anyone else. If anything it helps people like yourself who can't afford to buy the place to still live in the place.

How do you even begin to think something is owned by the workers when they are not the ones paying for any of it. If those workers were the ones getting the loans, paying the taxes, filing the permits, getting the required certificate, marketing, selling, delivering, etc... you might have the start of a point. As it is- they are the ones receiving a wage to work the land. Physical labor does not equal ownership. Again this mode of thinking means you aren't entitled to anything you didn't build yourself. You like that burger? Did you raise that cow? Did you slaughter it? Feed it? Work the soil to make the feed? Etc etc etc.

I think people should pay to use my property that I'm providing for a fee. There's really nothing more to it. We could transmute that house to a restaurant, a store, a farm and it all means the same thing. I built it. Or bought it. You didn't. Now you can use it if you want- for a fee. Under no circumstances do you own any part of it unless you and I come to some agreement about it. You are welcome to buy it- or try to make a rent to own deal...

Oh that's funny because somehow I did manage to do just that... and I didn't come from money or any special background. I applied for the scholarships, the loans, put in the work, forgo eating out for decades, looked for opportunities, leveraged my meager earnings into extra payments until I finally paid off my first house. Made sure I didn't make a baby or get into massive credit card debt etc. I went and lived in the low cost areas no one cares to go to. I made the required sacrifices to eventually get to a better position.

So yeah in conclusion- you just said a bunch of rhetoric with no backing and also no solution. Fairly typical if less vitriolic than normal... oh you dropped this 'kiddo'

Yes. Yes you do. Otherwise you are just crying and nobody cares. So you join a community of other criers. And nobody cares.

Do you really think you are part of the solution? As of yet I've seen no valid or real argument on how to actually make things better.

Just some ideas that have no way to be implemented and rely on humanity being "good" and "equal" which of course is never going to happen.

What? I'm saing you guys just follow each other around upvoting/commenting purely on the basis of "comradeship" regardless of how stupid the take is. Literally the guy tried to strawman the discussion into somethig about shooting a mini gun into people and immediately there's you guys up voting hum.

This is pretty classic hexbear and comrade community behavior in my short time on lemmy.

Great. I agree with that in principle. Though I'd not point at Venezuela as a great place to live personally. And as soon as I hike rent I suppose it would make an enemy. And the first time I have to evict someone I guess it would make them mad. I mean I haven't had that happen in over a decade but who knows what the future holds.

And as long as my tenants don't destroy my property and can make payments that will not happen. So yeah- friends all around.

Get that message out to the slobbering meme posters and the rest of your community/idealists and I'd honestly have no issue at all with you.

Great- I readily admit to not having read much Marxism or communism as the basics of it don't make sense to me. And from the interactions I've had with your community I've no desire to ever pursue it. If you people are the example I know what I need to know already.

If you can explain why rentseeking is unethical without devolving to "I have a philosophical disagreement" I'd be happy to hear it. Even better if you have a real alternative for people that doesn't involve stealing people's property.

Please make a viable example of a functional alternative

Seconded

I'm really not interested in your opinion on that.

I think you are a useful idiot for china/russia by buying and spreading useless divisive ideas. You'd be better served explaining how a system might be changed or pointing out systems that do work. I think calls for violence/moralistic bs that your community generally spouts only servs to induce hate on both sides.

It became a thing people owned when the legitimate government that owns the land decided to sell it to a private citizen/gift it/however it was legally acquired.

Where you are going with this results in tribalism, nomadic cultures, and anarchy. It results in survival of the fittest. The idea that everyone contributes equally is a great IDEA. It's NEVER in the history of the world been practiced. There's always someone who tries to game the system either through manipulation, laziness, or personal power gain. People are not all the same and have varying abilities. Some of those abilities are rarer/more valuable than others and have always will always be rewarded thusly. Going your route just puts us right back here eventually.

Did you buy it legally from someone who also legally owns it. That's the basis.

Great- grand. wonderful. Make that argument then. Don't call for death, evil, redistribution of personal wealth/investments. Those are silly go nowhere arguments. I lived in Austria myself for a number of years. I've lived in a number of countries- I totally agree there are alternatives. It's the rabid frothing at the mouth blanket calls for violence and/or moralistic bs attacks on ALL LANDLORDS that I'm objecting to

Sure please do. I'd love to see when it becomes evil. So far I'm not seeing it.

He doesn't. Part of the risk of making shady deals.

Just fyi I think I know where you are going and you are going to be disappointed with the result.