Am I? Who knows
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I see no reason to execute me when I could just fuck my clone, but if there were a copy of my and a bomb was set to go off I'd chill in one perspective's last moments.
If they act the way I would act and have my memories how is that not me?
It is distinguishable by its history, which is known. Understanding that two things that are identical are still two different things and not the same thing seems like a very basic cognitive ability developed pretty early in childhood, and I should probably remember what the technical term for it is, I’m sure it has one. It’s also universally understood and accepted that genuine things are more valuable than their replicas, even if the replicas are so good that their lack of documented history is the only thing that distinguishes them from their genuine models.
If you and I each have 2006's SMASH action film Crank on DVD, we both have the film Crank. There exist more than one of those. If a person is cloned by a transporter there are two of that person, but they diverge by virtue of unique experience.
(This is why genuine antiques with known provenance are far more expensive than even perfect fakes.) As such, I find it very difficult to believe you’ve arguing in good faith here.
Well you can fuck yourself if it pleases. It's one thing to disagree with me, it's another to impugn the earnestnest with which I state my position.
Oh really? Okay, another thought experiment: Let’s say someone creates a perfect clone of you. Does that clone now have rights to your property? Is it okay if he/she sleeps with your spouse?
I can see an argument for the property, and if a clone slept with my spouse would be between the clone and my spouse.
But would you be okay with your child being taken away and replaced with a duplicate? If you’re being honest, you should be. Nothing’s changed from your point of view, it’s the same person. Right?
Irrelevant as people are not dragged away to the teleporter, Tuvix notwithstanding.
You could say the same of a 7 year old in relation the the baby you previously loved.
With all the cell-division this creature before you is just a modified copy.
No, because people are not conscious in the pattern buffer.
I could dispute that, but I won't as I don't feel that even matters to my position that my consciousness is my consciousness no matter where or how it's arranged.
Yes, but consciousness is not a pattern, it’s an activity, and that activity gets interrupted.
And then starts up again, indistinguishable from before and with every right to call itself "me".
Would you be okay with your loved one being replaced by a perfect clone that looks and acts exactly the same, identical down to the last atom, while the original remains at large elsewhere? Or would you consider that new version to be an impostor?
I would love my child if they went on an away mission and came back via transport. I would love my children if they suddenly were twins.
The difference is that molecules and cells don’t all disappear at once. Consciousness is brain activity, and the brain has redundancy that allows that activity to continue uninterrupted even when small parts are swapped out. When you destroy the whole thing, though, the activity stops.
The pattern buffer serves the same function of redundancy.
If you're ok with the ATP that makes your brain ebbing and flowing while asserting a continuation of self, you shouldn't theoretically mind if that change over happens all at once.
If it's still "you" happening all at once, then it doesn't matter either when that once is.
The pattern of synapse connections firing is what thinks it's "you" and the transport duly preserves that pattern.
Would you be okay with your child (or some other loved one) being forcibly taken away and replaced with a perfect clone? If what you’re saying is true, you should be, since according to you they’re not just a copy, they’re literally the same person.
Thinking "Any 'you' 'll do" doesn't mean I want loved ones forced to do anything. People don't tend to be forced onto transporter pads.
No, I wouldn't want a loved one forcibly taken anywhere. If a loved one took a transporter trip I'd love them just the same when they got back though.
Well now you've created gangers.
When neurons are damaged, those pathways are lost.
But we aren't our neurons. We are the pathways which get dutifully recreated by the transporter. Even if the electron bounce that thinks it's you briefly pauses pulsing, if that same pattern starts up again that's still you
And Star Trek backs it up. The classic transporter accident that makes a clone of someone? If the transported person is still the same consciousness, what is the clone?
Both "clones" are equally valid iterations of the same person with equal claim on the identity, although they would functionally from that point be like twins as they would begin developing distinct memories as soon as they each open their eyes.
Are you sure?
Your current consciousness, the one you are thinking with right now, would end.
Same thing happens every time you go to sleep. If your consciousness exists you exist, right down to you worrying about continuity of consciousness.
People get way too worked up about this.
Be less "Guy Fleegman afraid he was a redshirt" and more "Guy Fleegman once he's realized he's comic relief".
If a consciousness thinks it's continuous that consciousness is continuous.
The substrate your consciousness dances on also changes all the time. Molecules arranged around the galaxy or cells dying and being replaced pose the exact same quandary, and the solution to both would seem to be "who cares"?
The arrangement of cells and neurons known as "You" goes in, the arrangement of cells and neurons known as "You" comes out.
If your consciousness exists right down to conversationally-induced existential dread, what do you care what or where the substrate it exists on is?
Dealers have always exaggerated how "fire" their latest acquire was.
Seems ill-conceived to require those lies in writing and not check their quality, though.
Get onion-flavored honey and brush that over focaccia.
If I was never going to remunerate them they aren't losing shit.
Fuck A.I. art and fuck its copyright, so we're clear where I'm coming down on things, but that argument alone would seem to discount alot of experimental stuff I've done where I won't know how it'll come out when I start but I keep it if it looks/sounds cool.
No, the arguments presented in the article are not compelling.
A bit like how Euthanasia is foundationaly fine but it's allowance under capitalism leads to the poor being pressured to die, while capitalism oppresses us fucking over A.I. art's ability to be copyrighted is good.
If it were allowed to be copyrit corporations would fuck over creatives more than they currently do and use it to union bust.
Of course in a post-capitalist world copyright won't matter.
Therefore this shit should never get copyright protection.
What is this telling me?
WGA takes care of its members and a food service worker gets a cheque this Thursday.
Awesome.
Quite the presumptuous "if" there, isn't it?
Does it matter if something is a fascist propaganda rag?
Yes it does.
Should people not ever legitimize fascism by linking to platforms that only exist to further fascism?
No they should not.
Of course they wouldn't mourn you. You'd still exist and everything is gravy.