FaeDrifter @ FaeDrifter @midwest.social

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All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.

Heard. You've successfully made the points for me to not give any more of my opinions on Hexbear to anyone who isn't from Hexbear. I'll stand down and give everyone the fair chance to make their own opinions.

I think having a space to destress is really important. If you're fighting for rights for minorities in your local area and you need to shout "death to America" in a friendly space online, you earned it and you deserve it.

I'm going off what gets posted and upvoted and interacted with.

It is possible there's a comment buried in there that covers Trump's record of policies and rhetoric regarding minorities, and I missed it.

I have to admit I think it's weird that afab men and amab women or any nonbinary thems are now considered heteronormative.

Set the firing squad on me because I say that's stupid.

I'll take the L that I only have a week of exposure to Hexbear, and it might be the worst week, given that Hexbears were all excited to "dunk on the shitlibs" and actually doing real life helpful productive things for marginalized and oppressed groups took a back seat on the burner.

In my not-very-important opinion from my short exposure, y'all have completely lost the plot. You would say edgy shock factor things for an internet point circle jerk , even if you're giving ammo to the right. I think you all would rather LARP being leftist revolutionaries, fantasize about executions, you like driving people away from leftism because it reinforces your identity of being the most left.

If you really wanted to protect the poor and marginalized, I think you all would take the clue and reevaluate if you really value making the world a better place, and what you're doing to achieve that.

Executed for the crime of being a US president, nothing to do with his policies of attacking minority groups.

If you don't want to see Trump hung, drawn and quartered you are more pro trump than hexbear is

I care about real life policy and results.

I don't think living in a fantasy of fetish violence makes you left or a left ally.

"Identiy politics is so silly"

Let me frame it in a way helpful to your confirmation bias. Zelenskyy is Jewish, does this automatically mean in the Russia invasion of Ukraine that Russians are the Nazis and Ukrainians aren't? Identity politics.

lmao, this you?

100% yes, and I have learned that thinking neopronouns are unnecessary and silly makes me a transphobe, and transphobes deserve the firing squad.

I have not heard exactly how many and which neopronouns I have to learn before I've hexbeared hard enough to not get the firing squad.

It's not, and I've explained to you in detail why as well as having provided you with numerous resources on the subject.

Resources that say nothing about the UK being a vassal state or the US being an empire. You make a huge logical leap to conclusions based on your inherent biases.

Russia certainly has plenty of issues, however in practice it's not very different from many western countries.

Atrociously bad policy on LGBTQ rights, freedom of speech, but does better on homing the homeless and other human rights. Can't get rid of its corrupt ruling despot; the US has many corrupt government officials that don't see term limits.

I agree, Russia is overall no worse or better than the West.

The real life is that the war was a product of decades of NATO policy, and it's not even hidden

Are you familiar with the narcissist's prayer?

"I didn't do it, and if I did, it's your fault"

Defense of Russia I've noticed follows the narcissist's prayer pattern. "Russia didn't do it, and if it did, it's the West's fault".

Someone else found it for me: https://hexbear.net/post/451217

Yeah that's exactly how I remember it. "All US presidents bad, at least Trump is funny".

As for thinking Trump is funny, the overwhelming view in Hexbear is extremely bleak. People struggle with depression and doomerism. They laugh to cope.

Maybe this is a real intention that I'm misinterpreting. It looks a lot like edgy Heath Ledger joker "just wants to watch the world burn", fine if the fascists are the ones to do it. I'm willing to consider it's just misplaced doomerism.

support for Trump" — The other day I sent you a huge thread where they all fucking hate Trump and agree he is an odious fascist.

Lol, not really. We can dig it up and look at the highest rated posts again. Hexbear wants to execute him along with the rest of the US presidents, which is obviously just a fantasy. "All presidents are bad, both sides are the same, Trump is at least funny and kind of authentic and triggers the libs" was the overwhelming sentiment.

Trump is a fascist but also an isolationist.

Lol, no, he's not an isolationist. He's a globalist business man, and a wanna-be dictator imperialist, who is happy to be friends and allies with the other dictator imperialists of the world.

(Biden) is more likely to start wars

What? According to who? Are you just going to pretend the assassination of Qasem Soleimani didn't happen under Trump?

Biden is very pro-Ukraine, which drives the pro-Russia people insane. I don't know what else you could be talking about.

There's been virtually no pushback from the Biden administration against any of the fascist bullshit happening in this country.

Trump rolled back LGBTQ rights and stacked SCOTUS with people to roll back women's and LGBTQ rights, DeSantis leads the war on Trans people. It does NOT help LGBTQ causes to blame this on Biden. It does not help to say "well both sides are bad". Fascists LOVE the "enlightened centrists" because it almost always benefits fascism.

You have support for Trump and Russia in there, which is an unholy alliance stripping LGBTQ protections in law, funding transphobic and Neo-Naxi groups, and spreading fascist rhetoric online.

Identiy politics is so silly. It's possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it's possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi's, it's possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.

"I am x-identity" is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.

I don't think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.

The whole pattern of this thread has been you making fantastical claims

"The UK is a vassal state to the US Empire" is a fantastical claim.

"Russia is a fascist xenophobic homophobic transphobic country ruled by a corrupt despot that made the sovereign decision to start an invasion" is real life.

me providing sources contradicting your nonsense

Oh really? Contradict that.

Not doing any such thing, nowhere did I talk about land at all. I love how all your arguments are just straw man.

Literally right in the pictures you posted but nice gaslighting.

The only one with a bleak world view here is the one who thinks it's fine for western backed fascists to exterminate minorities.

It's wrong for western backed fascists to exterminate minorities. It's wrong for fascist Russia to exterminate majorities. It's not hard for me to say, why is it hard for you to say?

You claim to condemn evil people while allying with literal fascists, and you expect people to take you seriously.

I'm not allying with anyone. You're making the same L you accused me of earlier. Just because I condemn Russia doesn't mean I support the other side. I condemn both sides, several times now. I haven't seen you condemn fascist Russia even once.

Basically the whole Hexbear most upvoted consensus was that all US presidents deserve to be executed, the DNC and GOP are the same, but Trump at least is funny, kind of authentic, and triggers the libs.

Also lol that observer article aged like fucking milk. Clinton couldn't have found a better way to self-destruct her chances at winning the election.

If you want more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yikes-new-behind-the-scenes-book-brutalizes-the-clinton-campaign-123303/

Ukraine is clearly not some homogeneous blob, but a large country with complex cultural and ethnic situations.

Good job, you described every country that has ever existed.

You're also making the common US right wing fascist L of conflating empty land mass with population. Yes, it's a complex population, and a map of empty land looks 50/50, but there is a pretty overwhelming pro-West majority. The question that you still refuse to answer is why. Because it will break your worldview.

If you want to see what an actual fascist regime looks like then maybe you should look back home. US empire is responsible, or shares responsibility, for close to 300 million deaths https://nyupress.org/9781583679890/endless-holocausts/

Oh, I do not at all defend any of the violence, the bombings, or the genocides committed by the US. I condemn every imperialist invasion, and the evil people who lead them. I will happily take part in imprisoning any US president for life. Because I have actual values. You wouldn't know what that's like.

What is this then ignromaus? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

Exactly, now explain why NATO is overwhelmingly more successful in expanding its alliance. Why does 80% of Ukraine's population support joining NATO instead of SCTO?

Weird way to say Russia will protect people in Donbas from the fascist regime your country is sponsoring.

Oh right, protection is when you genocide the majority to protect the minority.

You have a literal despot who has not relinquished power in over two decades leading an invasion, bombing cities, shooting civilians, and raping their wives and daughters. Tell me more about what you know of fascist regimes.

I don’t know what part of this you’re having trouble wrapping your head around. Ukraine was a neutral state that did trade with both Russia and the west and wasn’t joining any military alliances with either side. If you have some new information nobody knows about that contradicts this then feel free to share it.

It's not about just Ukraine. You're so narrow, it's like you can't engage with my points outside of a pre-programmed response. Russia could be forming treaties with ANY and ALL neighboring countries. There is (almost..) no reason not to. If NATO has the geopolitical savvy to expand with treaties, what is stopping Russia. That's what you need to figure out.

You’ll have to forgive me, I keep forgetting I’m talking to a child.

Lol, do you deny the high rate of people falling out of windows in Russia?

How do you think this war is going to end exactly?

Likely not for years, and either Russia will back out, or they will successfully genocide the people of Ukraine and take the bombed-out land.

What extreme geopolitical incompetence are you talking about exactly? Last I checked, Soviets managed to fight against your despotic regime for over 70 years.

"Soviets managed to fight" you mean ex-Soviets, because the USSR is kaput. Plus all the NATO territory expansion, the US empire growing its collection of vassal states, extracting and growing its wealth. That is your story, not mine. What does Russia have to show since 1991?

There was no need for a treaty because there weren’t any tensions between Ukraine and Russia, Ukraine also expressed no ambitions to join NATO until the coup, you get that right? All the problems started after the coup.

Let me get this right, all the experts are warning about NATO expansion putting pressure on Russia, but Russia is feeling no pressure from NATO expansion. All the experts are warning about it! But there's no tension. Again, you're just saying that ex-Soviets are severely stupid and incompetent, because apparently this was a big deal since 1997, but also no big deal until 2014. Your timelines are incoherent.

In what universe is Russia is tearing itself apart exactly? Russian economy is growing, the government has higher approval rating than pretty much any western country, and Russia managed to refocus its trade away from the west. Even mainstream western media is openly admitting all this now.

Lol, I would approve of my government if disapproving meant being thrown out of a window.

You know what, you're right. Russia is doing great, we're going to see a massive victory over Ukraine and the war will be over. Any day now.

The reason US emerged as a global hegemon out of WW2

Obviously the US had a huge economic advantage, explain how that economic advantage leads to the extreme geopolitical incompetence of ex-Soviets. The incompetence that means they can't from treaties, they dangle like a puppet by NATO strings, and start wars they can't finish.