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  • I see your point.

    This is correct, these mesures would indeed be tremendously effectives, the problem is that it's easyer said than done, and it's already happening even without ICJ rulling anyway.

    The BRICS block is working to move away from using US dollar as we speak, they have started to progressively replace the US dollar by local currencies in trades between themselves and are trying to create an international currency for international trade.

    But compleating those projects will take a few years at least, you don't move half the world's economy in one day.

    Until then, a lot of countries will have no choice but to continue using the dollar for international trade, at least partially, not to mention Europe, Japan, South Korea and the others former British colonies who will undoubtedly continue to use US dollar to support the US.

    But even once the dollar stop being the international unit of acount, I doubt the US will stop supporting Israel (if Israel is still there by then, let's hope it's not), as I said Israel perfoms the US's budding in the Middle East, this is why they support Israel so much, the US has demonstrated during it's recent history that its typical reaction to a competitor appearing was to push it lower than they have sunk rather than pull themself higher and Israel is a tool to do this to Arab countries, ensuring that the huge oil reserves of the region keep flowing to US company and don't feed potential Arab competitors, among other things.

    In fact, I wonder if that wouldn't make their support of Israel more direct and agressive, it would be very US-like to, as the empire start unraveling, keep clawing on every bit of international influence and every way they extract wealth from the 3rd world to slow down ever so slightly they collapse.

    My point is, wait for the US egemony to unravel some more and trust Hammas, Hesbolla and Ansar Allah to deal with Israel, the end of the genocide will come from that, not from the ICJ rulling.

  • South Yemen's blockade is certainly hurting Israel and making it way harder for the US to supply Israel while Hesbolla's strikes are successfuly spliting Israel on 2 fronts, all of that is very good, and yes it is effective, but they're not gods, they can only do so much, Ansar Allah can only blockade the red sea, they can't do anything about the supplies comming from the Mediteraneean, and Hesbolla, while very competent, must keep in mind that the IDF despite all the paper-tiger behavior they showed are still a well equiped modern military supplied by the world's first military power, they can't act recklessly and they know that, which is why they are not going all out against Israel (yet).

    However, you are correct in saying that they are reliable support that Hammas can count on.

    Give them some time, and with the current unraveling on US influence, they will win against Israel eventually.

    As soon an the US can't support them anymore, Israel will be done for, they will fall like Saigon when the US finally left Vietnam.

  • I mean, it's good to have hope. It would be awsome if the ICJ will stopped the genocide.

    But I'm telling you, you'll be disapointed in the end.

    Either way, well see what happen when it does.

  • And there are many ways for member states to enforce the ICJ’s decision on ISRAEL (IDK why I have to keep repeating myself on this single point) and the US if they get mentioned as well, economic sanctions are just one of them.

    What ways then?

  • Unless Israel forces itself to become a recognized colony of the US, you don’t have a case here.

    How so? Israel doesn't have to be a "recognized colony" or whatever for this to be about US interest in the region. There is a reason why the US is Israel’s largest foreign arms supplier and Israel is one of the coutries who buy the most american weapons in the world.

    Israel is the only coutry in the middle east who is willing to do the US's bidding there without questions, if it disapear, all the US will have left will be a shaky alliance with Saudi Arabia and a fragile ocupation in Iraq, and with Iran just next door, without Israel those too will be gone sooner rather than later as the middle eastern country realize that now that the US can't do shit to them anymore they can freely make an allience that makes much more sense for their geopolitical interests with Iran.

    And without any influance there the US has no way of stealing middle eastern oil or to at least presure middle eastern countries to sell their oil in dollar and severe concurence to american oil company will soon apear which the US doesn't want.

    IDK why you guys insist on arguing with me about some of the most basic shit. It’s almost like you support genocide but are too afraid to come out and say it.

    Saying that an ICJ rulling wont stop the US from doing whatever they want isn't supporting genocide, it's being realistic and realizing that the US wont stop pursuing their interests just because an organization with "international" in it's name scolded them.

    OF COURSE it would be good if that made the US stop, but we are analysing a real life geopolitical situation, not power-of-friendship shonen where the good guy convince the bad guy that it's not very nice to not be nice with a speach.

    How would the ICJ rulling stop the US?

    The ICJ DO NOT have the power to enforce it's rullings, especialy not on the US.

    Not to mention, like everyone here keep showing you, all of the instences where did not respect an ICJ rulling in the past.

    They already did it and nothing happened, there is no reasons to think it would be any different this time.

  • If today the ICJ rules that Palestinians have been victims of genocide, that war is ending in the next few days/weeks.

    This is naive. Like we keep teling you, the US has made it a habit to go against decisions from intrenational institutions like the UN, the ICJ etc. Nothing has ever happened to them as a consequance of that behavior. If they decide to keep backing Israel's genicide anyway, which they without a doubt will, there will be very little consequances for them at best.

  • That wont change anything even if they are. Their geopolitical iterest in the middle east are at bay, they just won't care and will continue to support Izrael anyway. That's what they always do.

  • Anyway, here’s to hoping other nations will do the right thing when the ICJ ruling is passed and hold all the financial supporters of genocide against Palestinians to account.

    1. They wont.
    2. The fundamental rule of economic sanctions is: never assume you wont be sanctioned back. Nations who attempt to sanctions Israel's economic backers will be sanctioned back by those very economic backers, among which is the US, a country who hold a massive deals of control over the global economy through the US dollar, the curency which is used for the majority of international trade and which every countries hold assets and reserves in. Not to mention the fact that despite the massive ongoing deindustrialization the US is still the world's second major exporter and importer. Almost any economy cut from them would imediatly enter a massive economic ressetion. You can't just sanction coutries and expect everythong to be hunky-dory ICJ rulling or not.
  • A lot of these countries are at least ally of the US if not pupets, don't count on those to do anyting about it if the US decide that they don't care what the ICJ says.

    As for the coutries that aren't, what they can do is very limited, they can place embargos and apply sanctions but that's about it, they certainly won't perform any military actions against the US even if they are in theory able to because they aren't stupid and understand that a war with the US won't end well for them even if they win.

    Even without going that far, the actions that can be taken against the US are limited because since in the real world coutries aren't closed off pocket universes and are rather part of the same world and all connected by economy, politics, history and geography in some ways, any actions taken by one country against an other will have consequances for the PERPETRATOR of those actions as well.

  • How do they keep not respecting ICJ rullings against them and their allies then? Like, bruh. This shit is not magic. Without a structure that would be able to physicaly force the US if and all of it's intricate global military alliance to respect the rulling if nessessary, which there are none of currently, the rullings are just empty words which they can and will ignore. It's like expecting that convicted criminals will walk from the courtroom to the prison on their own without any escort being needed to make sure they respect their sentence.

  • I'm split between not wanting the US to cause more wars and kill more inocent civilians and the hope of what could come from them being more overstreched than ever on all the fronts they are fighting and getting rekt on all of them.

  • Just send more weapons guys! What could possibly go wrong?

  • Because Israel is the only government firmly committed to doing the US’s bidding in the Middle East, they need to make sure it has all it needs because if it falls all the US will have left to exert influence in the region would be an unstable occupation in Iraq and a shaky alliance with Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

  • The PRC has abolished feudalism 2 generations or so ago so it can’t be helped I guess

  • As someone who live in France and is familiar with our local discount genocide Joe and his predesessor's shinanigans, I can guaranty you that everything you just said is bullshit.

    It is trying to navigate this mess in order to keep civil peace in a very very tense context.

    No it's not, it's trying to cover up it's fellow US vassals. Anyone who followed the unrest in France in the past few years knows full well that when French official says they want "civil peace" what they really mean is "the proletariat and minorities are crushed back in their place and the white bourgeoisie get what they want".

    France is backing Israel because it is in dept with Jewish people over its collaboration during WW2 and the help it provided to the Nazis in the hunt of Jewish people.

    I don't know what ghoul you heard this from but those are just excuses to whitewash the actions of the French state, I can promise you that none of the illegitimate American bootlicker freemarketeer in our government gives a shit about any of that. Also, sorry to break your "good guy bad guy" worldview but Izrael and the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis, evidences of that fact are easily found online. So that would be bullshit anyway.

    Hamas is more or less aligned on IS when it comes to Western countries, that is why it is considered a terrorist organization.

    I wonder why the peoples who say that there is a link between Hamas and ISIS never bring any evidence to support that claim🤔 . Could it be... That there isn't any!? No, that can't be...

    But France is also in dept with Arabs and Muslims. It colonized North Africa for 130 years, led a bloody war in Algeria with lots of war crimes against civilians. It hosts millions of citizen of Arabic and Muslim ancestry and the government cannot pretend their opinionidoesn’t matter

    Ha! So that's why they arbitrarily arrested an arab with no charge for speaking against Izrael's genocide of arabs, gottsha.

    It has been funding schools and hospitals in Gaza, is dropping food and medicine by air for Gaza’s population. It does not provide any military assistance toI Israel which is not a member of NATO.

    [citation needed] +

    So yes, France needs to regulate public speech to avoid civil unrest and violence at home

    No, they that's not why they are doing that. Again, anyone who know what has been going on in France in the last few years knows that the government don't care if there is civil unrest and violence, they do shit that cause civil unrest and violence all the time and respond to it with even more violence.

    while working toward a lasting peace between Palestine and Israel.

    [citation needed] +

  • Whoa, tentions are really heating up fast. How likely is it that the dprk attack the south? It seems like a good time with how overstretched and depleted the US is but they would still have to be careful and would need the support of China.

  • This would be considered too on the nose if this was parody

  • Happy new year comrades, may the eternal science of Marxism-Leninism win.

  • I pray for the 2020s to be the USs last decade.