Erika2rsis @ Erika2rsis @lemmy.blahaj.zone

I like languages. This is my account to access West Lemmy.

---

Read more

Posts

0

Comments

137

Joined

2 yr. ago

You might wish to be aware that your instance's top-level domain was chosen because ML stands for "Marxism-Leninism", and that the main admin of lemmy.ml has a photo of Mao as his profile banner. So you're probably going to have a hard time convincing your instance's admins to defederate from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, all things considered.

The good ending: it was brofists

What's this about people disliking Tumblr due to slurs...? I haven't heard about people particularly disliking Tumblr for any reason, much less usage of slurs. And I don't know what FWR and AHS are, either. The second seems to be American Horror Story, but I'm not familiar with that.

I don't particularly like 196, either. It was the mod endorsement of an ableist slur on 196 that was sort of the impetus for Hexbear defederating from Blåhaj, actually. So I've always wished that 196 would just move to its own instance instead of being basically this parasite on the rest of Blåhaj Lemmy where prejudices are allowed to flourish.

It's only just now occurring to me that when you talk about slurs you might be referring more specifically to a word that alliterates "quest" and rhymes "near", and maybe also a word that alliterates "bid" and rhymes "switch". Are those the words you're thinking of? The first in particular would be a word that an older gay person from a conservative region would probably have a traumatic past with, but that younger people in spaces like Blåhaj Lemmy or Hexbear or Tumblr would use without having that trauma. I could understand taking issue with that if that is your trauma, because that is something that people should be more respectful and aware of, and that younger LGBT+ people in particular could do better about.

I'm sorry to have touched a sore spot.

Hexbear at least has a no-tolerance policy for open slurs, as far as I'm aware. But you're saying with regard to /r/CTH, that it wasn't, like, people reclaiming slurs, or using "slurs" for non-marginalized groups -- that it was actual, proper, undeniably hurtful slurring you saw? And by the way, what is a "dirtbag leftist", anyway?

I can definitely understand being put off by the way that the Hexbears often talk. I have managed to have a lot of constructive conversations with the Hexbears, where they honestly just write normally and almost unfairly politely for my asininity; but when the Hexbears aren't in Serious Mode, which is most of the time, then their comments just look like cryptic emojis and weird slang, right? And I think that's appealing for a certain type of person, but not for others. I don't think it's necessarily bad to be childish or flippant, so it doesn't bother me.

Whether the Hexbear culture is toxic is a different question. I can feel comfortable asking silly questions there or expressing sides of my identity that I might hide in other spaces, but there are also parts of the Hexbear culture that I like less and wish would change. Foremost that they could use a reminder of Hanlon's razor sometimes.

Funny enough, Hexbear actually defederated from my main instance first, due to it not being inclusive enough for their standards. My own experiences with Hexbear as an autistic enby are that Hexbear is actually the most inclusive Lemmy instance out there, by no small margin. The issue with Hexbear is that its users like to "punch up" at non-leftists, pointing out how people propagate or benefit from exploitative systems, and justify these systems to themselves.

Being "dunked on" may annoy and wound the pride of non-leftists, but this is also very much not the same as the actually evil Nazi shit posted to EH, which "punches down". I have for many years understood the difference between being annoyed and having my pride wounded for having a bad opinion, and being actively terrorized and marginalized for being a member of a marginalized group. The world would be better off if more people understood that difference.

Yes, actually! Liftoff for Lemmy is still in early development, but you can get it on iOS, Android, Windows, and Linux, and it provides precisely this feature. There are a lot of features that Liftoff is yet to incorporate, probably most notably moderator tools and support for adding Kbin accounts -- but give it a try regardless, and do what you can to contribute to its further development. Liftoff is an app with a lot of promise and a surprising amount of functionality already this early in its development.

It's worth noting that Liftoff is a fork of the now abandoned project Lemmur, which I believe was the first Lemmy client to support combining feeds.

Kind of funny how you say that in Dutch people are using hen, because hen has ended up being the Norwegian gender-neutral pronoun as well, but for completely different reasons. We imported hen from the Swedes I think in the early 2000s, but I only first heard about hen I think earlier this decade; the Swedes, in turn, imported hen from the Finns in the 1960s, although I think it was only in the 1990s when the use of hen in Swedish really started taking off.

The reason why hen became so successful in Norwegian is because "he" translates as han and "she" translates as hun, so a gender-neutral pronoun having the same consonants but a different vowel from the gendered pronouns is a no-brainer, right?

The Finnish pronoun hän, which refers to a singular human being regardless of gender, originated as an alteration of Proto-Finno-Ugric sän, so you can see that hän is a close relative of the Northern Sámi pronoun son, which is used as a general third-person singular pronoun. And this relationship between hän and son is funny to me, because when I was a teenager, I proposed making Northern Sámi part of the mandatory school curriculum in Norway. The reason why I proposed this was, among other things, so that we could more easily import a gender-neutral pronoun from Northern Sámi — and end the whole gender-neutrality debate feeling a bit foolish about how we've lived our lives so unaware of our northern indigenous friends that we didn't even notice that they'd had all this stuff sorted out since forever!

So while my teenage plan didn't end up happening, Norwegians instead borrowed a close relative of the pronoun I proposed, from a close relative of that language. So I was this close to getting it right!

Some Norwegians instead prefer using singular de instead of hen, essentially as a loan translation of the English singular they. This is kind of funny to me, given the Norse history of they in English, and given the historical use of De as a second-person formal pronoun in Norwegian.

In any case, I like what you say about how "the pushback from assholes will be the same anyway". I think that with these sorts of things, there will always be a lot of awkward-sounding proposals at first, until the speech community ends up honing in on one of the proposals through simple evolution, when there is enough of a need for standardization for that sort of honing to happen. And once that honing happens, what might've initially sounded awkward to your ears starts to just sound normal, because that's just how the language is now.

With Chinese the situation is well that in spoken language, the pronouns aren't gendered, but in written language, they are. This was as a European influence, I believe.

All of these are third-person pronouns read as "tā" in Standard Chinese:

• 他 - masculine, originally/occasionally gender-neutral human; human radical
• 她 - feminine; woman radical
• 牠 - animate non-human, Traditional usage; cow radical
• 它 - inanimate; animate non-human in Simplified usage; historically general
• 祂 - divine, primarily Abrahamic usage; spirit radical
• TA - gender-neutral, also used in other letter case forms
• X也 - gender-neutral, handwritten form has no Unicode support

This post and its comments go more in-depth about the Hexbears' grievances: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1989401

The announcement from a Hexbear admin: https://hexbear.net/post/369410

The casus defoederationis that's got me most concerned is that the 196 mod appears to endorse usage of the -tard suffix. When the Hexbears mention ableism, this is the specific objection they have.

Really bad form of OP to not include any links, and honestly it should be a Hexbear admin making this announcement, anyways.

That's what I thought, thank you.

More often "cis person primarily trying to get with trans people" is about power, from what I hear. Trans people are disproportionately in positions where they can be easily exploited or abused, e.g. outing someone can be used as blackmail, an abuser could withhold HRT or trash clothes, trans people might not have learned how to date safely as their gender, many trans people are broke and in poor mental health and could easily become reliant on someone, things like that. On top of this, trans people are also often particularly desperate for approval from cis people, because of the extent to which we're regularly othered by most of society. This creates the idea in a lot of cis men that if they're unsuccessful with cis women (generally because they're creeps), that trans women are "easy". This often mixes with the whole trans fetishization thing, too.

There are of course a number of other reasons why cis people might find themselves primarily dating trans people, too. Another common and very depressing reason is that the cis person perhaps isn't actually cis, and really just wants to live vicariously through sy partner's transition, and maybe "borrowing" a few things from thon, as well. There was a Reddit thread I once read with a full typology of different types of trans chasers, but I can't find it now. There are men and women chasers, straight and gay chasers, you get the picture.

@CARCOSA@hexbear.net @DuckNuckem@hexbear.net @TomboyShulk@hexbear.net Do you think that this thread or Hexbears participating in it goes against your rules? One of you had previously said "I am formally asking for Hexbears to stop commenting on meta posts in other instances" (πφ) but your current Code of Conduct says "Allow instances their own space for discussion, if requested implicitly or explicitly.".

Thanks, I'll look into that.

based

When they say "liberals" I personally understand it as referring to liberalism in the textbook economic sense, i.e. support for private property, market economies, Age of Enlightenment ideals of personal liberty, and what could be called "bourgeois" democracy. You may be somewhat familiar with the economic definition of "liberal" from the term "neoliberal", which refers to the types of market liberalization associated with Reagan and Thatcher.

So basically the confusion comes because in the popular discourse of the United States, political terms are often used with completely different meanings from their more international/proper definitions. This is made worse by the fact that leftists use a number of words, such as "anarchy" and "dictatorship", in completely different ways than most of the rest of the world.

The issue of contradictory definitions is particularly problematic for me as a Norwegian-American leftist, because I might say "I'm a republican. I'd never vote for Liberals or Democrats in my life. I strongly oppose liberal ideology." one moment, and then the next I might say, "Oh, no, I'm absolutely a liberal! I hate Republicans like nothing else and only vote Democrat.", with these statements not being contradictory in the slightest because these words are all autoantonyms with meanings depending on who exactly you're speaking to. And don't even get me started on the American versus Norwegian Overton windows!

Edit: I guess you could say these are examples of what the What Is Politics? podcast refers to as political "worbs". Great podcast IMO.

I guess I was thinking that if Gwyneth Paltrow could found a company called Goop that anything goes these days.

It's too bad that it doesn't also block comments from users of blocked instances. Isn't there a uBlock Origin cosmetic filter that does that? Does anybody remember what that was?

Also, does anybody know of a way to browse two instances as one feed, and easily switch between users? I swore I heard there was some way to do that, but I don't remember the details.

Curse English idioms, I literally thought they were rebranding to Mud.

Sorry, I didn't see that you edited this. Yes, that would be unfair.

Generally opposed for what reason? Is it maybe a moral judgment, and if so, where did you get your morals from? Is it more that it just makes you feel uncomfortable, and if so why does it make you feel that way? If it's something else, then what is it and why? Do you think that there may have been a difference of experience that led one community to find calls to violence to be acceptable, while your community finds that type of behavior to be completely reprehensible? What sort of difference of experience might that be? Have you ever thought to look into that?

These are the questions that I want you to seriously reflect on. Again, you have no obligation to respond, you can even dismiss this whole comment and say that these are all loaded questions, and tell me to stop replying if I'm being annoying and you've had enough. All of that is completely fair.