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  • tehre is no reason to believe non-human animals can participate in an ethical society, so there is no reason to include them in our ethical systems.

    But we do. You mentioned how you ought not to kick a dog, for instance. The difference is that we treat some animals as companions while treating others as resources for exploitation. If you truly believe that there is no reason to be ethical to animals, why not kick that dog? Or maybe boil it alive?

  • Pain might be an inevitable facet of food production (crop deaths). But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to eliminate as much pain as we reasonably can.


    Pain is an inevitable facet of surgery

    Surgery is a moral good

    an inevitable facet of surgery cannot make surgey bad

    surgery remains a moral good


    The fact that pain is inevitable to surgery doesn't mean we should stop giving patients anesthesia and pain medication.

  • Even if plants might feel pain, we are certain that animals feel pain. Also if you think for whatever reason that plants feel pain, then, well, a vegan diet uses less plants because its a more efficient food source. Plants feeling pain, whether true or false, isn't an argument against veganism in any way.

  • I get it man. Having to act in the best interest of someone who can't communicate can be stressful. That's why I'd never want to take care of a baby or adopt an animal. I would like to volunteer at a shelter, however.

  • In my mind its all about acting in the animals best interest. Childbirth isn't easy on a cats body and neither is the stress they will obtain if they desire reproduction and are not able to do so. Spay and neuter are therefore in the cats (or dogs) best interest

  • The other vegan I know choose veganism because of serious life-threatening issues where meat was causing hospital visits. She went cold turkey and will watch you eat a steak and wishing she could do the same.

    That doesn't really sound like a vegan to me, that's just a person who is on a plant based diet. Veganism is a moral stance