ElectroVagrant @ ElectroVagrant @lemmy.world

Another traveler of the wireways.

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Echoing this, with some slight adjustments:

Promote the specific sites/communities to people, and on sites that permit it, share links back to specific posts/comments that you found interesting/amusing/etc. from said sites/communities.

Reddit got popular off the back of changes to Digg and people mentioning/sharing stuff from Reddit there. I'd imagine TikTok also grew in popularity from people sharing stuff from it on other major platforms like Instagram/YouTube/Snapchat/Twitter, much as now RedNote's growing in popularity from people mentioning it on TikTok and other platforms.

I'd say post this sort of thing to any of the chat/discussion communities across instances.

!general@lemmy.world is open for it.

!casualconversation@lemm.ee is open for it too.

!chat@beehaw.org is likely open for it.

There's plenty more but those are a few to start with. You may not get many responses due to fewer people and fewer among those in the same age range, but you may also be pleasantly surprised. Regardless, that's an easier route than trying to start up a community from scratch.

Btw instead of inviting people over, you may also try sharing stuff from around here with links you think your friends might enjoy. Once they see there's stuff of interest, that may be more of a draw than an invite to Yet Another App alone.

Then they were able to take that game away from me and replace it with something I liked far less. This is inevitable for any live service game; if not replacing the game you liked with something else, then its removal altogether so that no one can play it anymore in any form. It sucks.

This is a good, concise way to describe one of the subtler problems with these types of game. At least with some of them, if they're sold without DRM, you can keep the version you like, but more often than not, those are few and far between.

Is there some context that could help clarify what's led to this change?

Similarly, could you provide clearer examples, and how this is intended to fit into the existing Terms of Service/Rules? Despite the length of the post, the way in which it's written leaves this change too ambiguous to be easily understood, which I think is evident both from the voting and commenting patterns.

In my opinion, my questions should have already been addressed in the post, and I think may have helped reception of this change (supposing at minimum it's to curtail some abusive moderation practices).

Print is by Boss Dog. OP's version is of the sticker variant.

They also have this shirt that goes hard:

Saw some chatter coming up again encouraging people to make their own websites which is fun. Somewhere in the process also found someone mentioning the Ooh Directory, which is such a great url.

Shared another of my finds the other day to !vocaloid@ani.social of the Yameii - Synesthesia music video. It's definitely a niche within a niche, but if you like vocaloids, bright gaudy colors and surreal 3D animation, you might like it.

That's always a relief, but also awkward feeling. "But...Up-to-date thing you're supposed to work with the rest, wtf are you doing breaking things??"

My "favorite" is when drivers do this. Go from visuals fine to, "What do you mean you want your game to render?"

@morrowind@lemmy.ml

It's a bit of both in my opinion. You only market/suggest Lemmy (as forum/link aggregator software) to those with the tech knowledge to build with it, but to everyone else you mention a community site to join and don't bother mentioning what it's built with, as they won't care anyway.

Would you edit the OP to rephrase your last line? No pics/no sexual stuff would be better, as it currently reads as having some prejudice against homosexuality, but the no pics part suggests you mean no sexual stuff more broadly.

Thanks in advance

If we remain in our current comfort space, Lemmy will likely continue to stagnate as a niche platform.

I follow what you're getting at here, but I think this line of thinking, of Lemmy as a platform, also contributes to the issues in drawing more people to this network of communities/sites.

As Kichae said in your other thread:

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“Lemmy” doesn’t exist like Reddit does. It’s not a place people can go to talk about shit. It’s a website engine. It exists like WordPress does. One of its features just happens to be “can pull content from other websites”.

If we want this space to grow, we need to focus on building community websites that stand on their own. Then we can market it as “hey, you love it here on MyInterest.social, but did you know you can also talk to people from SomethingElse.social? Pretty cool, huh??!?” Nobody seems to want to do that, though. That means we’re totally at the mercy of places like Twitter and Reddit, waiting for them to fuck up badly again and hoping more people just kind of land here, in some cheap and uncanny knockoff of where they really wanted to be.

On one hand I agree that the interface, and in turn the user experience, is worth focusing on to help get people to participate around here. On the other, I think you also need what Kichae describes at the end of their comment. Communities that can stand on their own with their own distinct identities and interests that also happen to let you talk with and see stuff from other distinct communities.

At some point I'd like to move to a little more focused sort of community like that built with Lemmy (or Piefed, or Mbin), but haven't had luck finding any that fit so far since many are broader in scope instead.

I don't love the default Lemmy web UI, but I agree with the sentiment of preferring a lighter, faster UI...Which makes me surprised to read that you love it.

I don't know why, but it occasionally slows way down for me when signed in and browsing. It's nearly driven me to switching interfaces to see if they're any better with performance.

Was hoping they might have added an option to Not Update/Skip Update or Never Update, or some other means to preserve the currently installed version. I don't like Valve's (and other tech businesses') assumption that updates are always good.

The only games for which these update settings make some sense are always online, "service" games. Other games are largely fine to indefinitely delay updates on, or never update at all.

Streaming isn't the middle ground in my opinion, rather it's unrestricted downloadable files that you can then handle however. Streaming provides some convenience but no consistent access (see various shows being delisted or shuffled between services).

Companies would love if everyone forgot having home video, in the sense of owning copies of movies and shows they always have access to and ability to watch whenever.

Btw, if you're still into animated shows, there's a few communities around for them.

General animation:

!animation@lemm.ee

!adult_animation@lemmy.world

!animationafter30@lemmy.world

Japanese animation:

!anime@ani.social

Give'em some activity if you're wanting to share and talk about some animated stuff you've been checking out!

Yes and no. Mastodon instances can show Lemmy community posts in a clunky looking way, as they treat communities like a group account which boosts every post.

If someone on Mastodon is familiar with Lemmy, they can technically also follow individual people to ensure their feed looks a little less awkward. However, given the default limited character count of many Mastodon instances, it's still going to display as the title and link to the Lemmy post at best, if I remember right.

On the other hand, Mastodon people can post to Lemmy communities and reply to comments in threads here, but it also tends to come out rough, especially if they're unaware of the formatting differences. If you've ever seen a really long title that abruptly cuts off mid-sentence, there's a good chance that was someone posting from a Mastodon account, unaware that it's better to make a brief opening sentence as title, then an empty line followed by body text, to best fit the formatting here.

Similarly if you see someone replying to a comment starting with an @ mention to the person they're directly replying to, chances are it may be someone from Mastodon, as replies there include @ mentions by default. Also due to federation weirdness, I'm honestly not sure if they have to keep that mention or not for it to work properly, think I've seen it work without, but it's honestly easier to make an account on a Lemmy instance to participate than deal with awkward federation issues that come up between it and Mastodon.

True, but as noted, it isn't a necessity to run a full-network relay, which those resource demands and costs relate to.

At the same time, one of the larger Mastodon instances, Mstdnsocial in terms of financial costs alone amounted to about 1000 euros per month as of October 2024.

The architecture of ATProto also enables a greater degree of flexibility in separating out costs by comparison, which in some respects may be an interesting model worth consideration for new or developing ActivityPub software, and in some respects is already in the works with projects like Bonfire and ActivityPods. On the ATProto side there's already at least one person looking to adapt ActivityPub to ATProto's PDSs in a manner similar to ActivityPods, just using ATProto data formatting instead.

We use different terms, but that's what I'm referring to here:

ActivityPub is more suited to scaling across multiple instances/sites than up, and I’d argue that’s its strength.

I understand the hesitation, which is why I've been trying to monitor its developments closely. Hence why I linked the example of someone testing out a small network ATProto relay, and why I also dug up this post about self-hosting different parts of the ATProto infrastructure the other day.

From what I've observed, there's no pushback against people doing so, and the only things stopping people are the usual: time, costs, knowledge, motivation, etc. For the first step to really happen at all there have to be people with the resources and motivation to do so, which is always the tricky part. In a small way part of my OP is intending to encourage anyone with both to give it a shot, as I lack some of the necessary resources to try it myself.

It's not so much that ActivityPub can't scale up, so much as that for one, as I've understood it that's not really been desirable anyway (undermines the point of decentralization/distribution), and for two, it starts getting bogged down as you already recognize. It also runs into similar, if not worse, cost problems to operate as ATProto's full network approaches are now.

ActivityPub is more suited to scaling across multiple instances/sites than up, and I'd argue that's its strength. It unintentionally has an implosion threshold to counter centralization in terms of cost and performance.

On the other hand, ATProto's advantage is that it enables scaling up while also enabling better data portability. I'm aware of work on this with ActivityPub as well, but it's still very early stages. My thinking is that there may be some ways to work with both to push towards their similar shared aims in terms of an open social web, with more flexibility in moving between spaces and adjusting experiences to better find what one wants from these different spaces.

Ideally they would be compatible, I agree.

Also you're right regarding the capacity to scale up, and frankly, while ATProto makes it feasible, I don't think it's necessarily desirable even with ATProto. Part of the point of it is to have various independent relays that would better distribute the load, and enable people's mobility when any of them go bad. Setting that aside, they don't all have to be full network relays, in fact someone is already toying with running a small network relay.

I also agree regarding moderation problems at a larger scale, and that ActivityPub's various software should take this as a wake-up call to improve the user experience, not so much for "big social media vibes" but for a better, less finicky experience.

However I also think there are potential benefits to ATProto, which blended together with ActivityPub, could make both better overall. The technical literacy and insistence on independent servers of the ActivityPub culture could make ATProto properly distributed and federated, which would be far better than letting it languish in corporate hands. Meanwhile the openness to optional transparent, customizable algorithms and preference for a smoother user experience of the ATProto/Bsky culture could make ActivityPub a more accessible, and livelier feeling space for more people.

Both can improve from one another, so long as both communities choose to try to learn from one another.