10 days after 3rd party reddit app shutdown, Lemmy's top 10 instances combine for a thriving userbase of 234,000
Lemmy people can’t interact with kbin (yet).
? You can search for Kbin magazines & subscribe to them via Lemmy, as well as post to them/reply to posts that are federated and the like. There have been some issues/delays in federation between the two, but not too different from those between Lemmy instances, unless something has recently changed with Kbin again in this regard.
It's a lemmystery.
Really though, from what I've seen in other discussions surrounding it, it's a genuine mystery as at the time I'm writing this (and as far as I'm aware), there's been no further information on what happened with it, why it's offline, etc. Lots of speculation, but no direct info to go off of.
What sort settings were you using when viewing All? I've noticed that when using the Hot sort setting, I occasionally get some random years old threads, usually from lemmy.ml.
I can't say for sure, so take this with a grain of salt, but I've just chalked it up to a glitch in the use of the two settings (all/hot) together. Given the description of how the sorting settings are meant to work from the lemmy docs, I think I may be close to right, but I'm not a dev or anything for it so...Yeah.
You didn't come across that way, tbh! I didn't respond directly at first 'cause I wasn't sure how I wanted to respond, and I wanted to give the conversation more time to develop.
I think where I may diverge on this is that I don't think "hyper addictive" style algorithms may arise regardless of platform type, as they have to be made & tuned by people to have that "hyper addictive" effect. Although I definitely recognize the incentives & inclination to implement them, which I think is what you're partly suggesting. Similarly, I think that general addictive effects may arise regardless of platform due to the socio-conscious tendencies you refer to in terms of seeking out stimuli, and to seek it out in an easier way.
At the same time, I think that may be part of why it's harder for some to shake off the platforms with those more highly tuned & focused algorithms, and I also think it may not be as evident as they may take them somewhat for granted...At least when they work to their interests, vs. when they more clearly fail & show you the opposite of what you're after.
Fwiw in relation to DreamButt's comment, TKC & Sneezy are correct regarding the types of algorithms present on Lemmy, but in relation to the overall thread topic, you're correct in what I was aiming to address.
You're not really wrong, but this doesn't address what OP was asking as I understand them. For them to make the community they're interested in (e.g. Imaginary Knights), they would probably be better off making a new account in a more general instance, as this would be the most straightforward way to do so.
The alternative would be to see if someone else is interested by posting to a remote community (as they're doing now), and seeing if someone in the remote instance might want to make said community so they don't have to make multiple accounts. If memory serves, I think there may be specific communities in other instances (and maybe even one here) to request a community's creation, or if not, I know there are communities for asking if communities exist/help finding them.
OP, I might recommend looking around for more communities like the above & asking there or maybe searching via Lemmyverse (see sidebar) for whether the community exists on some other instance already.
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Also it appears my memory was working! There may be more named differently, but here's a few communities where you can request communities.
Yeah, this is why I tried to identify them as engagement algorithms specifically. Lemmy & the like do have algorithms, of course, but they're both open and not as laser-focused on maximizing user retention/engagement as corporate platforms.
In the case of Mastodon, for instance, there's not even any additional sorting algorithms like here, it's a pretty basic chronological feed from those you follow (home), posts of those on your instance (local), and posts from other instances (federated/all).
To some degree I'm less concerned with them tracking/gathering info and more with their lax moderation allowing for all manner of hateful content to spread. Imo they're not that far removed from instances like exploding heads or the like.
They're the same folks that have enabled the spread of genocidal rhetoric, attempts to subvert democracy (not only via Facebook but through WhatsApp use as well (and not just in the United States, see also Brazil)), and probably more I'm not thinking of.
Having skimmed over their posts, while I also don't tend to agree with their views, nor the spreading of misinformation, that doesn't justify anyone telling them to off themselves. Hopefully they reported that person, as that shouldn't be tolerated in any instance/community imo.
Did it still have that awkward immutability aspect to it? Imo that's always been one of the other major downsides to the tech for wider use cases (the others being the scalability problems that in turn contribute to the energy problems).
Imo identity is way too dynamic to make sense making immutable records of, despite so many real world systems treating it as static.
Somebody's already sorta tried tbh.
It's come up a few times, as well as what I'm about to mention, but it's still worth mentioning since it's expressly made to better enable this, the Zot protocol was made with a nomadic/portable identity in mind.
I'm guessing there must be a reason it's not been adopted though, but I'm not sure what the reasoning may be.
Since a lot of these replies veer into the not safe for life, gross, or sexual, I think I'm just gonna mention the mundanely "weird" few Hubzilla or Misskey instances I've stumbled around. It's less to do with their content and more with the different structure compared to some of the more common website styles you see outside of social media as well as distinct from much social media.
Like Hubzilla almost seems like a techie's idea of social media right down to the menus listing system apps and users' having file directories for, well, presumably sharing files? I've yet to find a Hubzilla instance with some more active use to see how it would all really pan out, but I have found at least one with some nicer looking css to it.
I think one of my favorite parts of looking through Hubzilla instances is that you can see this interesting potential for it as a cross between MySpace and like some power users' space for hosting odd web apps and files.
As to Misskey, well, many of the instances I've seen just have this really lighthearted vibe to them thanks to the design using a lot of round edges and...Something else with the visuals gives a lot of the instances a softer feel. Some of it's absolutely the custom emojis, but there's just a lot of weird playfulness to the way it's styled, something I don't think I've really seen much in many social spaces online (which is kinda interesting now that I think of it).
I don't know why I hadn't gotten around to checking this personally (other than it not really concerning me much, or maybe it used to be harder to search without signing in to different Mastodon instances), but I appreciate you taking the time to correct my misunderstanding & clarify this.
I checked one of my Mastodon accounts from an instance that had defederated from Mastodon.social to confirm this, and sure enough, you were right. My profile & posts are still visible to folks there, even if they can't really interact with them beyond viewing them.
I think some of this misconception, at least from folks that have been on federated stuff for awhile, is that at least early on some defederation tended to be mutual, so both servers A & B were blocking each other's posts because they didn't want to see anything from one another. It's good to be corrected & reminded of what it looks like when it's not mutual though, as that is a...weirder sort of situation tbh. Thanks!
All defederating does is stop you within your instance being able to see posts from Threads
Maybe I've misunderstood this, or maybe you're thinking of this only in terms of Lemmy, but my understanding is that since Threads is a Twitter-like, it's more likely to try to federate with Mastodon/Calckey/Misskey/Pleroma instances, and at least in the case of Mastodon, defederation is a more firm separation than on Lemmy. If a Mastodon instance defederates from Threads, it's not just that the folks there will stop seeing posts from Threads, but that folks on Threads will stop seeing their posts as well.
I may be wrong, but that's been my understanding at least, hence why a number of Mastodon instances have agreed to defederate from Threads. This is wrong, I had misunderstood the process (thinking of it in terms of mutual defederation, which isn't always the case!). See Ward2k's post elaborating below.
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I was wrong, so today I learned how defederation works when it's not mutual! Thanks Ward2k!
Eh, my response was less to you specifically and more to some of the other comments & the attitudes I've seen of others concerning this subject. I think your post was honestly one of the less aggressive ones I've seen lately, so apologies on my part for not being clearer on who I was addressing.
I don't think people are intentionally defending Meta/Threads, so much as saying, "This is where my friends & communities are, so this is what I'm using." They may not like Meta/Threads or the like, if they even give them much thought, but they like their friends/communities/content that are on their platforms more than they dislike the platform owners/operators.
They're not really normies or stupid or whatever negative category you may want to put them in, they're just everyday folks for whom their social platforms are low priority in terms of consideration/reflection. Is what they want there? Yes. Does it work reliably? Yes. If it ticks those boxes that's all that probably concerns them.
Should they give it further consideration? Most of us here would probably argue yes, but we're not about to change their minds by pestering them about it or insulting them for their decisions.
Oh yeah, I get this for sure when it comes to Lemmy, and tbh any newly opened instance even if their backend is more developed (e.g. Mastodon). The thinking with this thread is as much for the broader fediverse as it is Lemmy, as I see a lot of the same mistakes repeated between the two when it comes to trying to get new folks onboard.
Wow it’s crazy having an intro thread - it’s like a forum from 25 years ago!
crumbles into dust*
I kid, but welcome! Speaking of TTRPGs, have you seen where some of these are on Itch.io these days? I've never gotten into them myself (not much for RPGs personally, and I don't have a tabletop group to play with), but I've found some of the art & settings interesting!
All good! There were some initial issues with Kbin/Lemmy federation, at first I think it was that it wasn't enabled just yet and later it was related to their configuration of Cloudflare or some CDN, I think, to help in handling the traffic, but it was eventually resolved.