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Nurses are predominantly hired by the government. There is probably some bureaucratic fat in there, but probably not as much as you might think. If all the government revenue in this province went directly to the currently employed nurses – leaving nothing for doctors, hospitals, transit, roads, etc. – we could still only double their incomes. There isn't that much money to go around.

Which brings us back to:

and if you ever try to raise that tax bill – look out!

Canada is within America. America is exceedingly broad, with so many different jurisdictions, all with their own rules. There is no single answer as to what the rules are across all of America. Since this is a Canadian forum, Canada was a reasonable choice to narrow down to.

There is still room for you to dive into some of those other jurisdictions, if you find it pertinent, but I expect nobody here actually cares about what is going on in, say, Mexico.

While your Econ 101 is on point, perhaps you don't understand what competition means?

As soon as nursing employers offer a better deal, those who sucked up the nurses in the meantime will match – or even beat – it, giving no reason for those workers to change gears. Nursing will not win as it is not valued like other professions. The companies which are valued have bottomless pits of money to throw at people. The healthcare industry does not.

So what you are saying is that when people shifted from eating in restaurants to eating at home with food sourced from grocery stores since COVID hit the streets, operating a grocery store became more profitable, while operating a restaurant became less profitable?

I agree. I work in a restaurant and our prices haven't risen since before COVID. Profitability has cratered. There isn't the customer base accepting of higher prices anymore. They'd rather eat at home. The food delivery guy claims that he has been in the industry for a long time and has never seen so little food being delivered to the restaurants on his route.

Although I'm surprised as it is clearly cheaper to eat in restaurants than it is to eat at home nowadays. Admittedly, it is hard to beat food cooked by your own hand.

And thank you for not replying with anything of substance! I know how much education is hated around here and I was growing worried that you might contribute to providing one, upsetting the locals.

He's talking about how the standard unit of alcohol definition bears no resemblance to anything people actually interact with in the real world. For example, one unit of alcohol is ~200mL of a typical beer. When was the last time you saw beer sold in 200mL containers?

He is saying that if you want to communicate such ideas to people you need to speak to them at their level, not something geared towards scientists. If you ask random people on the street how much beer one drink is, they will likely tell you it is one pint (473mL), when in reality that is more than two drinks.

And when one finds out that, they are not going to reel in horror, they are going to laugh at how out of touch someone was to communicate that idea so poorly.

People are voting with their feet and not enough replacements are being generated.

With the average boomer turning 65 recently, retirement is more compelling than being a nurse, I'm sure. Of course, with the average boomer turning 65, their healthcare needs, statistically, starts to rise. That also means more jobs to fill.

Nothing good working conditions and strong pay can’t fix… Am I right?

No.

1. The boomers aren't coming back from retirement in any meaningful numbers. No amount of improvement in working conditions or money is worth more than being retired. With them gone, there are not enough people to go around. Period.
2. Everyone else is in an arm's race to win the few remaining workers left. Every attempt to improve pay and conditions means every other job will do the same, leaving a stalemate at best.

The public sector cannot win that race. Healthcare isn't that valued. In Canada, we are not even willing to pay for it at all unless it is hidden in our tax bill where we don't notice the cost, and if you ever try to raise that tax bill – look out!

Normally corporate greed is met with "Fuck you. Don't be so greedy. You will accept this [lower] price or else."

Inflation is when that turns into "I know you are being greedy, but that is one stylish hat you are wearing, and for that reason I will gladly accept your [high] price!"

Being new at something is something to be proud of. I am insulted by your assertion that being recognized as new is an insult.

To your question: No, not even you.

I don't follow. Winning an argument makes you the loser. If there is merit to what you say, I lose, not win. Therefore we can establish that there is no merit to the assertion.

I feel like you just don't like people. As soon as someone talks to you, you run away. Work is, indeed, a good escape from people, and I hope you find solace in that. Until next time!

AI was also touted as the next frontier for over 20 years before it would take the world by storm after big advancements in the 2010’s.

The first AI winter was in 1966. Try something closer to 50 years, at very least.

I'm accepting of the leisure time I had. I can't go back and change it, so why worry about it?

A better question would ask about the leisure time they expect they will have.

"Alcohol might be safe in moderation, but we don't have the research to know for sure."

Not exactly the most interesting of articles.

and talking to people to raise awareness of something

People are most commonly found outside.

And yet you choose a venue that, if other people are involved at all, goes to great lengths to hide that fact. And if there are indeed other people listening in, there is little reason to believe they are located in the same jurisdiction, making your movement rather pointless. Furthermore, if what you have to say really does start to grain traction with people who live near you, a good first step is to start to take note of who is in support. But since it is not even clear if you are communicating with other people at all, and if they are people they have chosen to be anonymous... This is not a well considered plan.

But we get it. You're really looking to entertain yourself while you have some free time to kill.

I’m talking about kids that are deciding what career to get in to.

Yes, me too. That is what a would-be nurse usually identifies as.

There might have been still some roses and sunshine seen in public service positions 30 years ago, but people haven't felt that way in a long, long time. The pandemic changed nothing.

I’m done interacting with you.

An interesting contradiction. If you were done interacting with me you would not be in a position to tell me.

Is your intent here simply to say silly things so that we can laugh at them? If so, I apologize for assuming you were attempt to speak rationally, in good faith, and not as a comedy performer.

Nothing about government is automatic. It is just people. People you literally hired, typically on a four year contract, to work for you.

And even then, those people filing your demands as regulation requires enforcement, else regulation means nothing. And so your direct reports have to hire even more people to do that, and you have to keep on top of them to make sure they are doing their job.

Or you could just hire someone else to do it directly – or work with your own food you produced yourself. It's all the same at the end of the day. It's just people, no matter how you slice it.

This magic you seem to be envisioning certainly isn't as boring, but no more than passive entertainment and of no relevance to reality.

If I’m welcome to do all those things, that still makes it my responsibility as a consumer.

If you want to hold that view then there is no escaping the responsibility. Government too is just a collection of employees you hired to help you out with certain things. There is no removing you from being the man in charge.

Well, maybe if you move to North Korea. It might be happy to take responsibility off your hands. But I mean in Canada. Here, you have accepted the role as the leader. As the top boss, everything is your responsibility.

Part of that work is talking to people to raise awareness

If you hired a paid lobbyist, to save your own efforts, would you be happy if they spent their day chatting on anonymous internet forums?

That doesn't add up, then. Some of those governments have been treating nurses like shit for decades. Hell, in Ontario, the people vowed to never vote NDP again after what Rae did to nurses. Do you think would-be nurses were ever inclined to think that the OPC and Liberals will treat them better than the NDP? Of course not.

The nurse representative interviewed is from Quebec, and healthcare is a provincial matter, so I guess the government you refer to is the government of Quebec? Seems like a lot for a single province.

The reality is that this is a country-wide problem, so it cannot be blamed on "the government". "The government" doesn't have power over the entire country. The country is split across many sub-sovereign jurisdictions.

It more likely explained simply by a strong labour economy, giving healthcare workers more options than they have historically been accustomed to. The same story can be told in virtually every industry. If you wanted to, say, write an article about the state of restaurant jobs you could keep 95% of the content in this article.