Egon [they/them] @ Egon @hexbear.net

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Wow what an insightful response to a user answering your question in good faith! I cannot imagine why you would ever be treated with derision or condescention

They asked a question in good faith, and have since gotten it clarified. No need to be hostile.

You present needing tone indicators as a negative. Why is that?

I love being wrong! It means I get to learn new things. I am for example happy to learn that we have a user here from either Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, or Tuvalu, since these are the only places that regonize Taiwan as a country.
I am very sorry to hear what climate change is doing to your wonderful island/country! I hope your government is working towards a good future.

Ukraine should surrender now while people still have families to come home to, instead of propagating senseless death.
You're also just making russian demands up? At no point during this war has Russia sought to annex the entirety of Ukraine, which it seems to be whate you are implying they will do.
Please try to remain in reality.

Yeah my bad, I mistook you for another idiot.
Of course we are defensive about it! Its a tiring accusation.
Yes so much to hate like analysing news, investigating claims and not tolerating bigots. Gets you big mad.

Reposted from further upthread.

• wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables).
• a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting).
• one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian).
• Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.).
• various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number.
• An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155.
• CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago).
• during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb).
• tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night.
• The REAL tank man video.
• the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.).
• the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit)

• wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables).
• a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting).
• one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian).
• Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.).
• various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number.
• An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155.
• CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago).
• during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb).
• tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night.
• The REAL tank man video.
• the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.).
• the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit)

I am responding to you in a normal fashion. How is this akin to throwing a rave party?

Yes being a multi-millionaire and hiding your wealth in offshore tax havens is being an oligarch to me.

You act as if I support Russia? Oh no Putin bad! Who would have thought!

They can either surrender now, or surrender when all the able bodied people have been killed for no good reason. Ukraine can no longer win this war.

How is wanting an end to a war being pro-russia?

Not according to the US or EUs member nations or Taiwan

Lmao you're literally using Reddit as a source!
Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members.
The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of.
The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in "good" countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily.

Winnie the Pooh isn't censored in China though, so what even is the point except to equate an Asian man with a yellow cartoon figure?

You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist?