Doomsider @ Doomsider @lemmy.world

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Pretty much. When all your freedoms are being taking away you have to cling to the few things you are allowed to, even if those things are part of the problem.

I don't really disagree, it is just I hope for something better than the train wreck of hate and destruction we face.

Integration would be the best way to solve the wound on humanity that has been created. I fear we have no hope if this cannot be solved peacefully. Having two societies raised to hate each other is sickening to say the least.

If you are talking about the two primary political parties in the US, I completely agree.

Is the real solution to just make them all Israeli citizens and to heal the division by taking care of the innocents they have terrorized and oppressed.

If they could fix this problem there is perhaps hope for humanity. I want to be an optimist, but the world seems to have a different plan.

I think you are perhaps too kind to the US in general. I have no soft spot for Republicans or the Democratic party. I fully believe that we have been living in a death cult for over a century now. Toppling democracies, arming both sides in conflicts, helping create the Nazi party, ignoring the suffering of our own people, causing global warming, releasing forever chemicals into our environment, always choosing money over the safety and well being of everyone, and so much much more.

I do recognize the Democratic party as the lesser of evil, but by how much? Not much honestly. Their leadership is garbage and their only redeeming quality is perhaps their diversity of opinions and acceptance of some dissent however small it is.

I don't necessarily believe why they lost is because of how terrible they are. If terribleness was the defining factor of why a political party loses or wins in the US then the modern Republicans would never win. Their brazen worship of money knows no bounds. They have blown up our deficit and mismanaged our economic system every chance they get. They openly represent the worst of us with their racism, sexism, and love of war.

The strangest part is both the parties have completely flip-flopped so everything they once stood for is a complete lie. The Democrats rose from their racist heritage to become corporate bootlickers and the Republicans chose to court the worst of humanity to win at all costs. Having grown up Republican, changed to the Democratic Party, and then became an independent provided me a unique perspective few have.

I have a family to raise and support so all this puts me in an incredibly awkward position. If the only choice is something slightly less evil that is not really a choice at all. We are a terrible empire in decline. This is the legacy I have left my children with. It is not just my fault though as the blame is for all of us to share.

Great book by the way and while not completely predictive of what we are facing some things are spot on. The whole opposite ministry thing is really prevalent with our current administration. Also Newspeak really nailed how our language is evolving.

That was great.

Thanks for that, it is interesting to hear your perspective. I can see why you don't care for AOC especially about the Palestinian genocide. I think one thing that makes it hard for establishment Democratic candidates is that their party represents a wide range of interests and is not driven by single issues.

In the case of Palestine there are a lot of Democrats, particularly Jewish that are very supportive of Israel. Unfortunately politics is a numbers game and I think that is why it can seem so distasteful to those looking in.

When you are looking at losing 5% (wild figure pulled from my imagination) of your votes for outright condemning the massacre of Palestinians as opposed to gaining let's say 15% for supporting Israel's right to defend itself then as a politician you have to make a hard choice.

I think the choice should always be the morally correct one but most politicians on both sides do not operate like this.

Maybe some day you will be able to share it. Until then your just another person pointing fingers.

It is okay to be wrong, I know you are riding on a high right now. It is in a lot of ways bullshit though and you are also responsible for what has happened.

Thank you for that perspective. It is sad to see all that diligence being chipped away.

I think this is an fine opinion about both.

Fair enough, I am just looking for a conversation.

That is a poor point and allowing it to spread is the reality we are actually facing.

Case in point. Germany has been tightly controlling this for several decades. Is their society now overran by Nazi rhetoric? The answer is no.

Surely you see the difference between Democratic leadership and the masses that believe in some semblance of humanity. I swear your short-sighted goal of overthrowing the system has resulted in millions of Americans marching goose step and lining trans children up for the slaughter.

Own your part now or history will not look kindly upon you and your ilk. You are right, but also very wrong.