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you want to just spell it out for me so I dont have to guess at what's being insenuated and cause more pointless back and forth argument comments?

After 20 million scared civilians are neutralized and pacified.... it will look like a fait accompli.
and then will come the car bombs, the mass shootings, the assassination's.

The only thing stupider than Russia invading Ukraine and expecting not to deal with a massive insurgency. Two countries that are culturally very close but had extremely bad history with each other as a cycle of abuse, is America trying to do the same thing with Canada,

Treachery is according to the divine comedy, the worst sin of all. Canada doesn't have the boon of bordering other allies trying to help them in an imperialist war from their supposed brothers. but being stabbed in the back will sure motivate people to do things they wouldnt dream of against people they used to call friends. Yes, I'm referring to the "T" word.

also. theres no way Canada gets attacked, and it doesn't cause a revolution or coup in the US. The first moves into Canada, would effectively be the first moves of a 2nd Civil War.

unironically, something like this would likely happen.

factions within the country, political, civil and military, would fight amongst themselves, and some would ultimatley decide that the Trump Adminstration is Treasonous, Terrorists, not legitimate, etc. and start shooting.

Attacking Canada, is just a red line that would signal the start of the Second American Civil War.

Putins playbook wasn't exactly that.

he already had control of Ukraine, the problem was his capos were idiots, pissed off the people. and the people kicked out his capo with torches and pitchforks.

he then declared all future ukrainian governments illigetimate. and his actions have been based on a vague idea of "It all used to be one country 300 years ago because of imperialism, and the current government is not legitimate"

That argument doesn't work with Canada and the US. Yes, the US tried multiple times to take British North America, but failed.

Effectively, America already does control Canada through influence and assertion. but Canada is still a sovereign country. Smooth brained fascist and imperialist Chuds, just want America to look bigger on a map. they think that if there is ever a war with China, they'll need Unfettered access to all materials in grasp. (which doesnt make sense based on their tariffs against taiwan, those tariffs imply they're going to let China take taiwan, therfore no war with China)

at the end of the day, its dumb chuds who treat world politics and the hundreds of millions of peoples lives affected by it, like its a game. and they're angry with canada because america has believed for decades that they're in a culture war, and canadians are the opposition because they're on average, much more liberal than american liberals.

Legally. Trump is Commander in Chief. the readers digest version of most people's understandings is they're supposed to follow his orders to the letter.

practically. who fucking knows. I would predict military bases start shooting at themselves as factions fight for dominance in towns, cities, bases, and states. it would effectively be a civil war. there would absolutely be a coup attempt by a faction of the military.

The amount of chaos this decision would cause would be on the same scale as World War III officially breaking out. America would be in total chaos while it tries to launch an invasion of Canada, (Whether it be the Little green men method of just rolling troops in and the defenders choose not to shoot at them. or it be the Feb 2022 method where Canada formally declares itself to be in a war state and the state attempts to resist, IE a shooting war then insurgenct)

this would absolutely cause a civil war in the states, like I said, but Im not even gonna attempt to theorize how it would turn out. the only thing I know is the world would be in flames.

make no mistake, that line gets crossed. its over for everyone.

The US will enter a civil war. And it probably wont end for decades Canada will be destroyed. Gobbled up in the same civil war south. NATO will cease to exist. Europe will be in peices. The war with Russia will expand, many of europes countries will refuse to honor treaties and end up fighting each other until some vague lines are drawn between Russia and the resistance.

The problem is that the PPC is politically a nonstarter, so they hitchhike on the Conservative party.

the whole reason the PPC exists is because Maxime Bernier threw a hissy fit that he wasn't selected to lead the Conservative party. and it was instead given to Erin Otoole or Andrew Scheer, (I honestly forget which one)

PPC has effectively re-integrated with the conservative party as other factions of the CPC have effectively embraced MAGA/Trumpism/Quisling Collaborationism. making PPC irrelevant and redundant.

This is just big talk for the cameras. The logistics of such a thing. Are so ridiculous and insane that if it was actually attempted. Canadians would basically become slaves with no rights.. The Country would be torn apart by Resource fiends. They wouldnt even know what to do with 40 million people under a different legal system, so that would imply hundreds of thousands of people would end up just getting murdered or dying of neglect as society collapses

And that would open the door for massive waves of violence. What ISIS, AQ, etc did to America, That would absolutely be on the table.

This goes for any country. But if a country that's supposed to have been our friend and ally for generations decides its time for Imperialism, and wipes out their neighbor like that in some putin hairbrained map drawing fantasy.... Let me just say that Treachery is the lowest circle of hell. And people would have absolutely zero qualms after having everything taken away from them, in such a betrayal, zero qualms about targetting the civilian population of the aggressor.

and abandoning the whole somber story of how life would be over for 30-40 million Canadians, let me say that this act would 101%, without a doubt, Cause a US civil war. This is a Red line. And if there isn't an eruption of mutinies, coups, revolts and violence in the US as it was enacted, Well, in that case, the Nazis already won.

For fuck sake.

My point was that while Independent Jewish leaders are calling for the boycott. The State of Israel on the other hand, is holding hands up with Trump like a tag team.

where was the picture from? Im guessing from the helmets its either Ukrainian Euromaidan, or something recent from Georgia

Notice how the state of Israel has nothing to say about this?

I think its less of a master giving orders to a dog dynamic, and More of a "I'll have mine, you have yours" dynamic.

I still dont know if they are fucking crazy enough to try it. but this is whats in the back of my mind with this aggressive and jingoistic rhetoric against Canada, the EU, and Ukraine.

America may have stepped down from the stage of the Free world, and the Free world may very well be finished. but whats left of it still has nuclear weapons.

It's just a totem pole of different psychotic groups giving orders

On top, the "0.1%" being a vague amalgamation of Corpo and Tech Fascists, who are looking to basically seperate themselves from society. And gain a form of Sovereignty overtop of the government itself, with their territory not being states and nations but their own networks of followers. Primarily through Social Media , Television and Internet.

Then there's the government, That is populated with slackjawed knuckle dragging chuds who want to roll on a vague Ultranationalist-Jingoism-Ultraconservative ticket.

these two groups basically think they control the other, but more or less co-exist and let the other think they're in charge.

And then below both of these groups are the diehard, dimwitted followers who are supporting them either because they think they're going to get rich by doing so, or because they want to "own" someone.

and beyond that... it starts to become everyone else.

Side note, Im still not buying this "Worlds richest man" Label.

I believe that title still belongs to Vladimir Putin. his wealth is not published though. He Robbed a vast nation blind to the point that he is a living god in Russia.

Silver Spoon Autist Nazi Watched Iron man, and Played Cyberpunk, and became infactuated with the fiction of Tony Stark, and Sovereign Corpos. and decided "I want that"

this conversation was specifically about the US turning aggressive against Canada. the US turning on its allies and getting its global presence destroyed is one thing (I dont think that would happen, either). But to be clear, in this scenario we are talking about, If the US went aggressive against Canada, there is absolutely nothing NATO can do to help Canada except fingerwag, or nuke America.

And if Nuclear weapons were threatened, you could bet your ass the Mouth Foaming Z-Nazi party in Russia would rush to the aid of America, and declare that they were ready to invade and launch on the "Insane Europeans" to help the "Americans we have no problem with"

Russia wants to be hegemon of Eurasia, or at the very least Europe. If America wants to sacrifice it's world influence and power to set up some kafkaesque one state entity across north America, Russia is more than happy to let them have it as long as they get their peice of the pie.

Thst must be the polite minority. Most times I dare to look into thedonald2.0 it's just stuff talking about annexing canada and Bombing europe

Our only reliable allies. Europeans and the Pacific Partners like Australia, NZ, Japan and South Korea... are all oceans away. The US has by overwhelming force, the largest navy in the world. Only China, who we don't want to dive into the arms of and become a puppet of, even remotely stands a chance.

Our allies aren't going to rush to our aid in a worst case scenario, because they can't get across the atlantic. and they're also preoccupied with more or less being de-facto at war with the Russian Federation right now. and they are still not taking it seriously that they may have to fight for real over there.

When you start doing things like you're suggesting. That is absolutely going to be seen as a hostile act by the US, and they will manufacture consent for war.

Nato doesn't have the navy to help Canada in a fight. Assuming America isn't torn apart by a civil war as factions of the military defects and there's a revolution in the streets. (60/40 at that point. Fighting a century old ally is a red line that would absolutley cause a civil war)

the US navy would chuckle as the french and british and other relevant navies lie at the bottom of the atlantic. And at that point, Russia moves in and Europe is in a land war while the US decides to partner with Russia.

I know this is a joke but some points that should be made. that loophole got patched a long time ago. its not that simple. Married spouses can sponsor for PR. But the PR system works off a point system, and may not necessarily be granted PR. You have to have PR for several years. (I think its as high as 7) before you can apply for citizenship.

furthermore, Americans should know, That unless you rescind your American citizenship. (which costs a lot of money, they make it prohibitavely expensive). The United States does not recognize dual citizenship. They dont care if you're the King of Sweden. if you are an american citizen, that overrides all others. and they will consider you subject to their laws, juristiction, and prosecution. (and ask you be extradited if need be)