DdCno1 @ DdCno1 @kbin.social

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Like the other user said, the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa only became successful after it abandoned violent resistance - and citing Haiti as an aspirational example is downright hysterical.

There's also a massive difference between demanding outright perfection and not applauding people who behead Asian guest workers (who, as I'm sure you are aware, but equally willing to ignore, are not "evil Zionist colonizers") with a rusty gardening hoe while live-streaming the torture-murder on the Internet. Coincidentally, you seem to have no trouble with demanding outright perfection from the IDF, who, by the way, has a roughly similar soldier kill rate in this conflict according to most estimates - but I bet you are not willing to applaud them for that.

As for what Gaza actually was, here's what this supposed "concentration camp" looked like before the war:

https://youtu.be/W1r1z3x53ZU

Said mass graves that have been there for longer than the IDF? Of course they are denying them.

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360891624665180

Nitter link (might not always be working):

https://nitter.poast.org/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360892249612466#m

At some point you might learn that simplistic, childish concepts of pure good and evil rarely apply in this world. Yes, the Allies were the good guys in WW2. Being the good guy doesn't mean you're perfect, because absolutely nothing is.

Based on time under starvation conditions, the mass graves the IDF seems constitutionally incapable of not leaving behind, and counts of missing family members.

Can you share your methodology of calculating this number? You are not basing this on anything but your gut-feeling. Given how most of your comments consist of blindly parroting propaganda instead of even trying to form any in-depth understanding of this topic, that's not surprising. Hell, you once attacked me for trying to bring nuance into this debate, at which point I was done with you for that day, because could there be anything more intellectually bankrupt?

is there any line crossed, any action taken by the IDF that you wouldn’t automatically defend?

Sure thing. If orders to deliberately exterminating Palestinians came to light, that would certainly be it. Those should exist if the goal of the IDF, as frequently claimed by people like you who make up fantasy numbers to then feel outraged about, was genocide. Of course, this clashes with various efforts of the same IDF to prevent Palestinian civilians from being harmed, which is kind of odd, don't you think?

So either they are using e.g. roof knocking and a whole range of other warning measures just for PR-purposes (even though it significantly hurts their military efforts and their PR - Hamas can escape and the moment any building is being roof-knocked, dozens of cameras are immediately on it in order to film it, with lots of people feeling perfectly safe, trusting that this building and only this building will be hit; strange that) or the truth isn't as simple as you are so desperately trying to make it be. You haven't exactly been writing particularly well thought out comments on this topic at any point. Not that this limits your enthusiasm for your self-righteous preaching. Dunning, meet Kruger.

Do you think it is right that Palestinians prisoners should be zip tied long enough that their limbs die and need too be cut off?

No, but good job trying distracting from your fantasy numbers. This might constitute criminal neglect. Those responsible should be punished and measures should be undertaken to prevent this from occurring. While internal review processes are far from perfect at the IDF, they do at least exist and are being applied. Two senior officers responsible for ordering the recent air strikes on aid workers were sacked, for example. The same could happen here as well.

The fact that a large number of people in the West are denying this and portraying Hamas as freedom fighters is very worrying.

The number is probably closer to 100,000

Based on what exactly?

I suspect you are not asking in good faith, but I'm answering anyway: Methods and goals. Hamas methods are clear: Legitimate resistance doesn't deliberately and as a core policy murder, abduct and rape civilians. Hamas are no different from IS in this regard, which nobody calls resistance or freedom fighters.

Goals: Hamas actual and openly stated goal is the creation of a global Islamic caliphate and the murder and/or enslavement of all "nonbelievers", not the liberation of the Palestinian people.

This account is countering misinformation in multiple conflicts. You are free to point out mistakes they have made instead of doing your usual MO of accusing anyone who doesn't agree with your favorite narrative as a paid troll.

The two aren't even remotely the same and you know that.

Maybe, maybe not. Their existence and the mutually assured destruction that comes with it might be the primary factor responsible for preventing WW3 during the Cold War. The "balance of terror" is still working to this day.

Detailed info on these mass graves for those interested in learning more:

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360891624665180

Nitter link (might not always be working):

https://nitter.poast.org/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360892249612466#m

This team has an excellent track record, in case anyone has doubts about their credentials.

Don't rob people in the ME of their own agency. The West has messed up a lot, but so have the locals. Both are at least equally to blame.

The point is that Nicaragua would have never done anything like this on their own, because they have barely anything to do with the ME. The West on the other hand does. That's not entitlement, that's just a fact. We have a vested interest in what is going on there. Nicaragua is used as a pawn and it's incredibly transparent that this is happening. Same with South Africa.

It really isn't. Nicaragua is a tiny nation that does barely any trade and is of no significant importance to the Middle East diplomatically nor militarily. This does not apply to the West.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are not just deliberately doing the old "just asking questions" thing and are legitimately having difficulties with understanding relatively simple concepts.

There is a difference between their internal numbers and their outside communication. It's quite easy to keep an accurate head count during peace time and they did that, for taxing purposes alone - and to maintain the level of control that they wanted as the rulers of an oppressive police state. Just in case you didn't know what kind of place Gaza was before the war.

However, they actually have no idea right now, because it's war, it's chaotic, with shifting front lines, people being displaced, caught under the rubble, disfigured bodies with no identifying marks, families getting torn apart and not knowing what happened to their loved ones, etc.

You know, the same chaos as in every other war. You can't keep accurate records under these conditions, especially considering that everything even remotely resembling an official Hamas government office has been bombed to smithereens or overrun by ground troops - but Hamas pretends that they do, with precise casualty figures published incredibly frequently. That's not how this works. Israel needed months for an accurate count of their deaths from just October 7th, despite the fact that the fighting within Israel lasted only for a day or two. Ukraine has huge "unknowns" about their population in occupied areas and where there has been or is fighting.

Yet Hamas of all people somehow are omniscient record keepers - and barely anyone is willing to question it. We then get a game of telephone of increasingly reputable parties repeating Hamas numbers to one another, until people can naively say that "the BBC" or "the UN" is reporting something, oblivious to the actual source of the information. It's as if nobody learned how to properly trace sources at school or university.

Democracy Matrix doesn't disregard "legal corruption":

https://www.democracymatrix.com/fileadmin/processed/a/0/csmRegulationIntermediateEquality1f52ae705f.png

Neither does the Democracy Index, which has "political participation" as a criteria.

You can't just make up your own definitions. Democracy is a well-defined term. There being an imbalance just like in every society doesn't make a country not a democracy. That's not how this works.

Think about this for a second. Hamas has an interest in accurate internal head counts for e.g. tax purposes - they were the de-facto government of the strip, after all. Their public statements cannot be trusted.

Head count of the survivors vs. pre-war records.

They are not. Everything indicates that they remain uninhabited. Ghost cities are usually built in regions with cheap lease prices for land, which are cheap for a reason: Poor infrastructure, few jobs and opportunities.

Nonsense. The US didn't build entire fake cities that are totally empty, because they solely exist as investment scams and are not suitable for people to live in.