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  • to even continue this conversation intelligently.

    citation needed

    You don't understand what the word "arbitrary" means, lol.

    I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.

    I. Don't. Have. A. System.

    With your imagined system of "if everyone had always lived with random ass times they would feel as normal as they do now".

    No, they wouldn't, because unlike your ignorant-ass thinks, they aren't arbitrary. You don't understand the basic history of timekeeping and you have an utterly childish point, which is also wrong. Yes I know you're not directly proposing the use of another system, implications exist. You're just backing up on everything you've said after I rub your face in how stupid it's been, then you pretend you don't have a face full of poo.

    It's ridiculous.

    I speak 2 languages on a native level, one or two more fluently and a half a dozen in a "I could order in a restaurant" level. I'm pretty sure I know more expressions about time in more languages than you. How many languages do you speak?

    it's entirely likely that you won't be able to read the words on the sign

    This is why I keep replying. You're hilariously ironic. Remember you insisting how "numbers are inherently meaningless"? Scripts and languages change, sure, but most of the world uses Arabic numerals. :D It doesn't matter if you don't know the local language or "what time local noon is" or even if they're using the same alphabet, you'll still recognise a number like 14:00 - 03:00 and then look up at the sky and it's not yet noon and you'll know you'll have to wait several hours at least.

    With as with an actually arbitrary system you might see numbers like 0748-5531 and have no fucking idea if it's even a time or even if it is a time, what time it's referring to, even if you know it's exactly midday.

    But you'll not admit that laughable. Which in itself amuses me.

    That there's what we call a tautology.

    No shit, that's why I'm laughing at you. You're pretending like "noon" means nine because of its etymology, as in you're pretending as if you understand linguistics, when you don't understand that ignoring it's actual descriptive meaning of "mid-day" (which is why it's "high noon, because that's describing the position of the sun) is something even a first year linguist would never do. Hell, even if you had just read the basic wiki entry you'd know how ridiculous that is. But you're not about learning, you're about pretending you know things.

    I'm saying that the numbers we've assigned to it are

    And I'm saying you are wrong in that. Because you are. You are wrong in saying that. Do you understand? You are incorrect. It is not arbitrary. Even the number 12 isn't arbitrary, neither is 24 or 100. That's not what the word means, sweetums. <3

    Not sure what you're talking about

    Yes, I'm perfectly aware. Watching you prance around pretending to be smart is like watching toddlers bake mud cakes. It's cute how they think they're doing a credible job and you just have to act along so they can enjoy themselves. :)

    ..eh? I'm very clearly not being prescriptivis

    Honestly you're literally making my sides hurt

    Oh I'm not going anywhere, hunny. You're better entertainment than this show I'm watching.

  • "pudgy" as in bloated? I never even knew what "bloating" was before I actually got properly rid of it.

    I too skipped meals and still do (because it kinds stayed as a habit) but i don't need to anymore. I went on an exclusion diet to see if it was some undiagnosed food allergy. Rice/potatos and fish/meats basically, with some basic veggies. Even at one point I avoided all allium plants, meaning all onions, leeks, garlic, etc. It's kinda basic, but if it works, then you can start adding things back and see what you react to.

    I still haven't got a diagnosis, but I've lost the bloating and stomach pain and about like 20% of bodyweight even though I was never even overweight. I'm still kinda wondering what it exactly is which triggers that sort of horrible inflammation in me, but I can very clearly feel a difference. Like night and day. I couldn't even enjoy red wines before, stomach just didn't fucking handle them. I even had heart palpitations most days. Them and burping and eveything; gone (I'm not on a not too restrictive but gluten and casein free diet, meaning no gluten and no dairy.)

  • Oh I do. Lemmy is filled with Russian bots, who the fuck cares about votes? Lol.

    So it's a pacifist comment then?

    Because either it realises this attack destroyed equipment thats used to kill people, thus leading to less killing (ie on the way to stopping killing) or it's a "Ukraine shouldn't be bombing Russia, everyone should just live in peace" which is just dogwhistling Russian propaganda as there's definitely not any actual Ukrainian pacifists here.

    And they're the ones getting bombed. But you're just here for a snarky oneliners, you don't possess the capacity to argue it.

    Run along kiddo

  • assuming an awful lot about me based on complete ignorance and

    Oh another one of "me saying things doesn't mean anything, you can't deduce I meant something just because I said it!"

    I'm not.

    You are.

    have a significant bias toward the system we already know.

    No, you're pretending to be a pseudointellectuel while missing the actual issues shoved down your face, because you lack understanding and your ego is 3 sizes too big for your skills

    Yeah, they were chosen more or less arbitrarily by the ancient Egyptians because there were twelve significant constellations they followed, which led to a sort of base-12 number system they used for stuff related to the sky (months and hours in particular).

    Exactly like I said. A pretentious pseudointellectuel and I'm not gonna teach you history. Do some desperate googling and then become ashamed

    Again, units and numbers have no inherent meaning

    Again, they literally have INHERENT meaning.

    Send me your address I'll order you a dictionary

    And I think there's ample evidence here that you're just not reading carefully

    "But but you're laughing at my rhetoric so you can't have read it"

    Zzzz

    24-hour day and time zones were somehow inevitable

    By what fucking logic? You talk to me of reading comprehension :D

    You don't understand the fundamental flaw in the system, but like I said, I'm not gonna be lecturing you, I'd rather watch you make a moron of yourself and maybe, maybe point out later what I'm talking about.

    There's a Hindi clock that divides the day into thirty hours. Roman timekeeping was divided into 12 hours, but that time was measured from sunrise to sunset. Byzantine time uses the same division of days into 24 hours, but starts a day at sunset, meaning that the start of a day changes within the same city throughout the year. France even tried decimal time for a while, where each day has ten hours, each hour has 100 minutes, and each minute has 100 seconds. All of these systems arose from different starting conditions, none of which were "giving Romans GPS" (they already knew the Earth was round) and none of which caused any problems with users going to sleep at different times of day.

    You talk to me of word salad while you're some pseudointellectual 14-year old twerp repeating these sad sixth grade history facts as some unbelievably arcane knowledge while not understanding the fundamental flaw in the whole system.

  • You keep with your naive argument about noon being arbitrary and pretend as if your proposal isn't like climbing up a tree arse first.

    You're just wrong.

    With your system, if you woke up after drinking for days, not knowing literally where on Earth you are, you would see a restaurant, read the sign and still have zero idea when it was open. You'd need to know where you are and "when" the times are. Ridiculous

    With the regular system, you wake up anywhere in the world, look up at the sky, see it's roughly noon, and see a sign on a restaurant saying its open 10-21, you know you can walk in and eat.

    You're trying to make yourself out as logical, but you're failing very fucking hard.

    It's called the middle of the day, because it's in the middle of the day. Before it there's an equal amount of light as after it. Youre honestly going to stand here arguing that high-noon being in the middle of a DAY is arbitrary, without smelling a hint of irony?

    Take a thing. Divide it exactly in half. Can you cut at an arbitrary point to make that happen...? Or is there like a thing where if you choose the exact point in the middle of that thing (like, an exact point, not an arbitrary one), then you get two halves which are exactly the same size?

    You're clearly upset and projecting. Is English your first language? It's honestly amazing how often I end up correcting Americans on how to use English.

    Sure it does. Other cultures make noon the beginning of the day, or make sunset the beginning of the day

    You didn't understand the point. I was talking about Romans. Happy desperate googling, mr angry-like-a-wet-cat!

    You saying a thing doesn't make it so. For instance I could say that literally every word you said was arbitrary. It doesn't make it so, does it? Also, trying to use prescriptivism shows just how lacking you are in your linguistics conversational.

    Me purposefully not replying to each of your childish retorts wouldn't help anything. You're just wrong but you'll never be able to accept it. You'll equivocate, possibly for weeks even.

  • By every account I've read from both sides, seems pretty fucking successful.

    Awesome.

    "Dozens of long range bombers destroyed"

  • Well this attack is to make Russia realise they should stop killing Ukrainians?

    Ukraine isn't doing it for fun, you know?

    There were dozens of long range bomber destroyed. Bombers which have been dropping bombs on Ukraine, killing people.

    So now there's less of that.

    So... why the comment about "maybe stop killing people?" That's literally what Ukraine is trying to achieve with this.

    Edit you downvote all you want Ruski bots

  • Just as a sidenote here, it really isn't hard to use an old phone.

    You just get an old phone and then there's adapters with BT, so you just hook up the old phone to the adapter and hit pair on the BT to pair it with your phone and tadaa.

    Actually just figured that out after reading this thread. Might get myself one.

  • Are you implying Ukraine was wrong to pull off this attack?

    Because that smells like Russian apologism.

    Edit yeah you can see whenever you catch Russians when they're thought they were being "smart". It's honestly ridiculous how low your bar is for that. It's almost like interacting with another species.

  • You don't know what "arbitrary" means..

    Noon or midnight aren't arbitrary. They're the exact opposite. Noon is the middle of the day. The exact middle point of one revolution of our planet (roughly, days aren't actually exactly a day long but that's too advanced for you lol).

    The exact middle of the day, recognisable to most people simply by looking up, is the exact opposite of arbitrary.

    Numbers have no inherent meaning

    Uh, yes they do. That's why they're called numbers. "2" means || that many things and "5" means ||||| means that many things. There's literally an inherent meaning in them.

    There's also actual reason as to why the day is divided the way it is, but seeing how proud you are of your overbearing ignorance, I'm not gonna educate you on what it is.

    Hours weren't always the same length, it'd depend on the length of the time of day. Do you know what doesn't change? Noon being in the middle of the day. Because we're on a revolving piece of rock in space and no matter how much you stomp your foot and cry foul, noon will still always be non-arbitrary

    What you need is a fkin dictionary bruh

    Sounds like the answer is "fine."

    Ah, some deeply meaningful willfull ignorance, because you can't admit you backed a moronic idea.

  • I can't believe you're being serious. Literally, I have a hard time believing you aren't pretending to be that simple.

    Only because the current way is the one you know. In this alternate universe where the whole world has always been on UTC

    You don't understand time zones or geopolitical history either it seems, and you're imaging people from thousands of years ago to have a concept of universality. I can't thank you enough for the roaring belly laughs I've gotten from reading your brain farts.

    You're not proposing a single improvement, you're making the system actively much much much shittier

    planet isn't divided up into 1-hour offsets with their own times, that universe's version

    Except it is, because that's how hours work. You probably don't know where they come from either

    I know it seems to you like you're making sense, but you're not, because you're ignorant of so many assumptions you've made, which if changed, would be like giving ancient Romans the GPS instead of them using sundials and that said Romans would've magically been able to consider that theyre noon is two hours after "the real" noon, which is based on.........?

  • No we wouldn't.

    One of these is a logical thing, we measured time in the relative passing of days.

    Having "our local noon is 0550pm" is dumb as rocks and nowhere comparable to time zones. Unlike some people have prolly told you, not every idea is equal.

    Now go ahead and read what it's doing in China and see our glorious idea at work

  • because he's grown up in a world where that's ambiguous

    No he hasn't. Never moved a or traveled outside his own city.

    That why this "make everyones time the same" is about as smart as an idea as shoving Lego up your nose.

  • At your puny knowledge of the subject; conflating addiction and dependence, which I just proved to you — with sources — are two distinct medical concepts. Addiction is a neuropsychological disorder, and dependence is a biopsychological situation.

    Did you miss this part here:

    A drug addiction, a distinct concept from substance dependence

  • I laugh at your puny knowledge of the subject

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

    Addiction is a neuropsychological disorder characterized by a persistent and intense urge to use a drug or engage in a behavior that produces natural reward, despite substantial harm and other negative consequences.

    neuropsychological disorder

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence

    Substance dependence, also known as drug dependence, is a biopsychological situation whereby an individual's functionality is dependent on the necessitated re-consumption of a psychoactive substance because of an adaptive state that has developed within the individual from psychoactive substance consumption that results in the experience of withdrawal and that necessitates the re-consumption of the drug.[1][2] A drug addiction, a distinct concept from substance dependence, is defined as compulsive, out-of-control drug use, despite negative consequences.[1][2] An addictive drug is a drug which is both rewarding and reinforcing.[

    biopsychological situation

    #A drug addiction, a distinct concept from substance dependence

  • Addiction and dependence are two different things. You can be dependent without addiction or addicted without dependence. For one cannabis can make people addicted, but the myth from that is because it doesn't really cause any sort of physical dependence.

    On the other hand lyrica etc benzos for example and especially opiates will cause physical dependence, and even if you don't like want to take the pills, as in you don't crave them, you're not addicted to them, you may be dependent and then get withdrawal from quitting.

    Addiction can also cause withdrawal, but psychological withdrawal is a bit different than physical.

  • Addiction and dependence are two different things. You can be dependent without addiction or addicted without dependence. For one cannabis can make people addicted, but the myth from that is because it doesn't really cause any sort of physical dependence.

    On the other hand lyrica etc benzos for example and especially opiates will cause physical dependence, and even if you don't like want to take the pills, as in you don't crave them, you're not addicted to them, you may be dependent and then get withdrawal from quitting.

    Addiction can also cause withdrawal, but psychological withdrawal is a bit different than physical.

  • If alcohol works it might be neuropathic pain and then this could work on it as well, using some of the same mechanisms of action as alcohol

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabapentin

    But I dislike giving medical advice as am not a doctor. Something to research at least.

  • Your ring up a person, they go "why the fuck are you calling me at 09:45?", sounding really upset. You don't understand why. He's in a place where that means it's the middle of the night and as a local he understands it.

    Oooor

    He could just say "do you know what time it is here? It's two am!" and you'd understand.

  • Why exactly is asking for "what time is the local noon" more convenient than asking "what timezone is this"?

    How is "local noon is at 2:45" somehow easier to adjust to than "adjust your clock by X hours"? You don't need to relearn every thing like what time breakfast is served when local noon is 08:50.