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The person in need of the kidney has a right to life and your refusal infringes on it. If you're willing to tell women they must risk their health for a potential child, you should approve of the government forcing you to risk your health for a person who needs it. It's just a balance of rights, is it not?

I would disagree here. Their right to life cannot infringe upon my rights. In my opinion that is a different scenario. I can understand if you disagree.

You are saying that a woman in full control of her facilities and in no danger of medical complications one day before her due date should be able to abort the fetus? What about giving birth half way babies head is out of the mother, can abort the baby? What about still connected before they cut the umbilical cord? Still able to abort?

"you can't remove this from your body in the safest way possible" is infringing on that.

Ahh so in my opinion, that is the crux of our different stances. I have the belief that everyone has their rights until it infringes upon my rights or the rights of others. To me, in my opinion, at some point that fetus becomes a child/person and has rights of its own, now i don't know when that is i would say 3rd trimester maybe? again in my opinion. So unless there is danger to the mother or child eventually at some point the mother should bring the child to term. I think if you hit that 7th month you should know if you want to keep the baby and bring it to term. Whether you give the child up for adoption or raise it yourself is another matter entirely.

If someone needs a kidney and you are match for them, would you support the government forcing you to donate one of yours?

No, now what does that have to do with this?

Why say what specifically?

As for who decides what makes sense, purple that are smarter than me, people that we vote into office, and hopefully the experts that we see when we go in for medical care.

And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they'll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don't know what you're talking about?

Nothing is to stop me or anyone else from voting. Or should anyway. Nice job calling me an idiot i suppose. What specific position am i defending that has you do up in arms? What have i done other than mistakenly end my first comment in this thread with a period Instead of a question mark? I seriously want to know. As someone raised republican and now a Democrat, and a card carrying member of the church of satan, that donates to them every year, what position am i defending?

As for homophobic joke... I'm not a fan of women i don't know touching my butt, men i don't know touching my butt, or really anyone i don't know touching my butt.

When that teenage girl, i think of 14, from Ohio had to cross state lines to get an abortion because she was raped, i was appalled to hear of people saying "well there is no records of her being restored so obviously it's a political stunt".

Jesus fucking Christ people, put down your fucking pitch forks and try having a conversation with people. That's the only way you are going to change minds. Stop going to war and have civil discourse.

I know it's OK to be wrong, I've made many mistakes in life. But having my opinions on these matters is not one of them.

It wasn't a dodge it got my point across. "Do women, in full possession of their faculties and well informed about their options, have bodily autonomy?"

Yes they do.

You will have to excuse me, i do not understand your meaning behind "forced organ donation" in this context, could you explain that?

I believe i already started my within reason for lgbtq+ rights. I support them until they infringe upon my rights. The same as how i support other religions/races/genders/little people i support their causes as long as they don't infringe upon my rights.

As for explain the joke, no, I'm not going to. You may not find it humerous and maybe it's just not a great translation to text.

You may believe i don't support these causes, and that is your right, i do believe i support them and agree with them within reason and that is my right.

Do women have bodily autonomy? No. My mom should not be able to go and hurt herself too the point of being hospitalized/instatutionalized. So no blanket body autonomy. At some point people that know more about the subject than me should step in for the health of those involved.

That is the same thing for abortion. As long as the health of everyone involved is taken into consideration that is all i care about. The tricky question is when is the fetus considered a person? I don't have an answer to that.

The "dont touch my butt" statement is a joke. You/they live their lives how they want. Just don't infringe upon my life and my rights aka "dont touch my butt". You want to go march at a gay parade? Sure. I've joined one in California. I've lived with lesbians, very good friends, fell out of touch recently thanks for reminding me to reach out.

Edit: and if you read my comments, never once have i said she should not have gotten an abortion. I just asked questions and expressed my reservations

I didn't say the abortions needed to make sense to me, they need to make sense to the people involved. Will i have an opinion on the matter sure. Does my opinion matter? No. If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things. If more people vote the other way and my guy/gal doesn't win? That sucks try again another time.

And fuck my delicate ill placed sensibilities. I'm just here having a conversation. Expressing my thoughts, opinions, in a hopefully civil discourse.

Fair, i mean to some extent right. But an abortion on a fetus that is 9 months along would be to late right? Or not? If there is no harm to the baby or mother, how far along in your opinion is to far for an abortion?

I'm pro choice within reason. Pro lgbtq+ within reason. You enjoy your life just don't touch my butt.

I'm advocating for abortions that make sense, i meant pro choice but pro abortion is fine too. As long as it doesn't endanger the mother.

I'm an advocate for adoption, I'm adopted. All of that fucking sucks right? Not having money, chance for issues because of a young mother, mental health issues. Who doesn't have mental health issues these days? Why wait 4-5 months? There are agencies that help people go across state lines to get abortions.

I have not given birth or been on the receiving end of investigations like this. But you are telling me going through 4-5 more months of carrying the baby to term would do more harm to this young lady than the invesigation process, wondering if you will get caught, getting caught, and then 90 days in jail would be better for her?

I think this whole thing is a shit situation and I'm sad to see them get sent to jail for something they could do legally in another state but endangering herself would not be what i would have done personally.

She is a teenager but she is 19, not 13/14/15. She is an adult

I mean me, abortion is great if done correctly and doesn't endanger the mother.

I have no idea as a guy with no kids how far along 20 weeks is in the gestation cycle. Other than there are about 4.3 weeks in a month and that'll put them just under 5 months along? Seems pretty far along to me but again i don't know the process.

I'm pro abortion but 20 weeks seems like it's pushing that line for acceptable.

Article:

According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.

Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.

I'm not an engineer, or have any real qualifications on the subject. But I'm guessing you would want to cut all transmissions you can from a stealth jet.

Thank you for this article. I remember hearing the argument that she couldn't have been raped because there were no charges. I'm glad the guy was caught and sentenced to life.

To be fair, half the time i don't read the article its too avoid the adds....

I heard other than honorable but again hearsay. Would prefer dishonorable

"As of Friday, all three Marines were still on active-duty status, according to the Marine Corps. But all three could be separated from the Marine Corps “on less than honorable conditions,” prosecutors said."

Doesn't say for sure but that's a exerpt from the article

Why? I've been in court and you can't just argue whatever you like.

Are you a lawyer? Is that even an arguable fact?

I never said "man up and take the child" i said man up and take responsibility. There are uncountable different issues with sticking together for the kid and some reasons why it isn't feasible to have a abortion. Sometimes the best choice for the kid is abortion, sometimes it is the father just fucks right off and sends monthly child support, and sometimes it is sticking together as a couple because you want to be together and raise a family with the kid.

What is not acceptable is fighting in court for years to disown a child that is yours and you know it but you do not want to pay because it was a fling and you don't want the responsibility. Well, to fucking bad, you fucked around now deal. All they have to do is send money once a month, sure it sucks, but to fucking bad. Man up and take responsibility.

I have friends that constantly fight to get money from their exs for child support and it's fucked up that they have to deal with that on top of being a single parent.

I'm sorry did me saying man up tilt you? Or hit to close to home?

100% there is a risk for that. That's why you take all the precautions you reasonably can. Pappa always said "don't stick it in crazy". The older i get the wiser that man becomes.

Ideally we don't have to deal with that and every couple is happy, but that isn't the case all the time. I'm pro choice for a reason. Mistakes happen and sometimes it is better for everyone that the baby doesn't come into the world. But if it does and the father just bails and tries to say it's not his that's what gets me. You played the game, you lost, deal with it. Even if the relationship doesn't work out with the mother, do what you can to make the child's life better.

"Necrod" for responding to a response to me when i haven't checked lemmy messages in 2 days so i didn't know anyone responded to me? Ffs man/woman/whatever. I just responded to the two other people that responded to me as well.

Also I'm pro choice, all about people having the choice of abortions. I never once said don't get an abortion. And if you are to lazy to read the whole response why respond? I'm just out here trying to have a semi intelligent conversation.